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Title: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: deadwood on January 07, 2023, 12:20:55 PM
Hello,

Time to start next release iteration. The goal is to upgrade to base of 20200413 20201110. It will be done in a few iterations updating around 2 months at a time. I plan to discover bugs in these iteration and fix them once we get to final base. You should consider any of -Dx releases as non-production - I have not checked backward compatibility with them.

First, reference ISO:

Native
Referencehttps://www.axrt.org/download/aros/v0/AROS-20190416-2-pc-i386-boot-iso.zip

First iteration moves us to 20190429 code base. It only a "couple of days" compared to reference, but it includes changes that I had to revert to previous state.

https://axrt.org/development/AROS-20190429-D1-pc-i386-boot-iso.zip

The key in this first iteration is to re-test 2D and 3D capabilities of IntelGMA and Nouveau drivers as compared to reference release. Testing if software 3D rendering has no regression compared to reference would also be welcomed.


Here is change log:
Code: [Select]
AROS ABIv0 20190429 changes:

  Functionalities:
    Display free video memory in SysMon where supported (Kalamatee)
    Initial work on supporting 3D acceleration in VMWare video driver (Kalamatee)

  64-bit support:


  68k support:


  ARM support:


  Updates:
    AROS build system (Kalamatee)
    Polish catalogs for SysExplorer, SysMon (wawa)

  Functional fixes:
    Prefs/ScreenMode (Kalamatee)

  Stability fixes:
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20200413 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on January 07, 2023, 02:46:55 PM
Tested "20200413" on WMware, now with AROS x86 you can use a native Graphics Card, but I only get SVGA resolution, 3D is not fast, tested some games and they are as slow as VESA
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20200413 Development
Post by: deadwood on January 07, 2023, 03:25:16 PM
@AMIGASYSTEM

Thanks, good to know native work under VMWare. 3D indeed is disabled for VMWare driver at the moment, so it uses software rendering. Are you able to test either IntelGMA or NVidia cards?
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20200413 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on January 07, 2023, 04:05:19 PM
Successfully tested "Intel GMA 950" on ACER Aspire One ZG5 and Dell Inspiron Mini 910, see screenshot

I do not have a supported NVIDEA Video Card
 
I have an ACER ASpire 5920 with a NVIDIA GeForce 8600M GT not supported "Black Screen"

Question that has nothing to do with video cards, I noticed that some 3D games have automatic fire, this may depend on AROS or ACER Aspire One ZG5 and Dell Inspiron Mini 910 laptops

I now integrate "20200413" on AROS One and text some Third Party Application

Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20200413 Development
Post by: ncafferkey on January 07, 2023, 04:34:12 PM
My tests so far...

VirtualBox 6.1.34:

 - Both ISOs boot. I then installed each to USB sticks from there successfully.

Dell Inspiron 6400 (GMA graphics):

 - Both ISOs boot in VESA and native graphics modes.
 - Mesa demo "gears" works in both graphics modes, but crashes on exit on 2019-04-29 native mode only.
 - Screenmode switching in native works on both ISOs, but I had one unreproduceable guru (I think this was with 2019-04-16 but I'm not sure).

Acer AspireOne ZG5 A110 (GMA graphics):

 - Neither ISO boots in either graphics mode. I usually don't see an error, just a reboot, but once I saw "Priviledge Violation" in a guru window briefly. @AMIGASYSTEM: what's the exact model and spec of your ZG5?
 - It boots with 2019-03-09 *ABIv1*. I'm currently making a 2019-01-21 ABIv0 USB stick to test with (the previous nightly I happen to have). EDIT: 2019-01-21 boots.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20200413 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on January 07, 2023, 06:10:08 PM
I don't have the documentation of the Aspire One ZG5, it was given to me as a gift, I attach the label although there is not much information.

If it helps the model is THIS (https://ia904600.us.archive.org/15/items/f-1-a-3-dd-09-abdf-0216-00-00/zg5.jpg), should be Acer Aspire One ZG5 AOA 110 white SD 8GB welded dead :(

I have never tested AROS ABIv1 versions, I could try if needed !


Tests on VM I did with WMWare Player 7.1.2 build-2780323
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20200413 Development
Post by: ncafferkey on January 07, 2023, 07:23:47 PM
@AMIGASYSTEM: Thanks, my label is identical. It seems our ZG5s are the same, so the difference in behaviour is strange. Unless the dead SSD allows it to work  :D
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20200413 Development
Post by: deadwood on January 08, 2023, 12:25:58 AM
Successfully tested "Intel GMA 950" on ACER Aspire One ZG5 and Dell Inspiron Mini 910, see screenshot

Thanks!
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20200413 Development
Post by: deadwood on January 08, 2023, 12:28:05 AM

Dell Inspiron 6400 (GMA graphics):

 - Mesa demo "gears" works in both graphics modes, but crashes on exit on 2019-04-29 native mode only.

Is this is hard crash (=reset) or are you able to capture the backtrace from Guru requester?

Acer AspireOne ZG5 A110 (GMA graphics):

 - Neither ISO boots in either graphics mode. I usually don't see an error, just a reboot, but once I saw "Priviledge Violation" in a guru window briefly. @AMIGASYSTEM: what's the exact model and spec of your ZG5?
 - It boots with 2019-03-09 *ABIv1*. I'm currently making a 2019-01-21 ABIv0 USB stick to test with (the previous nightly I happen to have). EDIT: 2019-01-21 boots.

The 2019-01-21 is build based on SVN, right?
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20200413 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on January 08, 2023, 03:14:55 AM
@AMIGASYSTEM: Thanks, my label is identical. It seems our ZG5s are the same, so the difference in behaviour is strange. Unless the dead SSD allows it to work  :D

I don't think it is the SD that does the miracle, even my little "Dell Inspiron Mini 910" which seems to have an Identical Video Card has no problem, see attached video made 1 year ago.

https://youtu.be/bOU5gSdkKdA
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20200413 Development
Post by: deadwood on January 08, 2023, 03:28:24 AM
@AMIGASYSTEM: Thanks, my label is identical. It seems our ZG5s are the same, so the difference in behaviour is strange. Unless the dead SSD allows it to work  :D

Maybe it's down to default settings in BIOS for disk chipsets: IDE vs SATA. I believe we need to always revert to IDE on that setting, because out sata driver still has problems sometimes.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20200413 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on January 08, 2023, 04:21:57 AM
My "Dell Inspiron Mini 910" does not have a Hardisk but an SD Card PATA 8GB with Window XP Installed !
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20200413 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on January 08, 2023, 04:39:25 AM
By integrating "20200413" on AROS One x86 on "WMWare SVGA", I had encountered the same problem of corrupted icon graphics as as with Scalos (see screenshot), as if by magic the problem is solved by reconfiguring from scratch Wanderer Prefs :)
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20200413 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on January 08, 2023, 05:49:12 AM
By integrating "20200413" on AROS One x86 on "WMWare SVGA", I had encountered the same problem of corrupted icon graphics as as with Scalos (see screenshot), as if by magic the problem is solved by reconfiguring from scratch Wanderer Prefs :)

Uncovered the arcane, what created the graphic corruption of the icons was the "Floating" option in Wanderer prefs, you re-solve the problem by using the "Fixed" option
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20200413 Development
Post by: deadwood on January 08, 2023, 08:54:41 AM
Added bug report: https://github.com/deadw00d/AROS/issues/85

Since there is a workaround, I won't be looking into this right now.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20200413 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on January 08, 2023, 12:40:58 PM
With "20200413" System Explorer crashes the system, questio happens on WMvare Playee and Acer One Z5 .
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20200413 Development
Post by: ncafferkey on January 08, 2023, 01:31:25 PM

Is this is hard crash (=reset) or are you able to capture the backtrace from Guru requester?

I’m attaching the stack trace.

Quote

The 2019-01-21 is build based on SVN, right?

Yes, it’s an original nightly from that date.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20200413 Development
Post by: deadwood on January 08, 2023, 01:38:48 PM
@AMIGASYSTEM

In the SystemExplorer crash when using IntelGMA?

@ncafferkey

Thanks
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20200413 Development
Post by: ncafferkey on January 08, 2023, 02:07:24 PM
Nothing happens when ShowConfig is run from its icon, on either 2019-01-21 or the two new ISOs.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20200413 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on January 08, 2023, 03:00:59 PM
@AMIGASYSTEM

In the SystemExplorer crash when using IntelGMA?


With IntelGMA, the GURU does not appear, but the GUI crashes and cannot be closed; it also slows down the operating system.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20200413 Development
Post by: ncafferkey on January 08, 2023, 09:40:14 PM
I get this guru consistently on 2019-04-16 under IntelGMA, but not under VESA on the same machine.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20200413 Development
Post by: ncafferkey on January 08, 2023, 09:53:33 PM
I get this guru consistently on 2019-04-29 under IntelGMA, but not under VESA on the same machine.

SysExplorer is fine on 2019-01-21, but that’s presumably because the graphics adapter doesn’t appear there.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20200413 Development
Post by: deadwood on January 09, 2023, 12:28:27 AM
@AMIGASYSTEM, ncafferkey

I can reproduce the crash in SysExplorer with vmwaresvga.hidd on VirtualBox. Feels like missing implementation in both IntelGMA and vmwaresvga.hidd. I'll look into this.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20200413 Development
Post by: ncafferkey on January 09, 2023, 08:15:29 AM
Thanks deadwood. In the meantime I’ve been able to confirm that the SysExplorer problem also occurs with the nVidia driver.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20200413 Development
Post by: deadwood on January 09, 2023, 09:03:37 AM
Do you have compatible nVidia hardware? If so, does the 2019-04-29 give you correct 3D rendering on it compared to 2019-04-16?
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20200413 Development
Post by: ncafferkey on January 09, 2023, 09:45:07 AM
Do you have compatible nVidia hardware? If so, does the 2019-04-29 give you correct 3D rendering on it compared to 2019-04-16?

The nVidia card I tested with appears to only support 2D (even with much older builds). This evening I hope to locate a better supported nVidia card and test it.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20200413 Development
Post by: Amiwell on January 09, 2023, 11:16:51 AM
I've always had an Nvidia card but I'm without a monitor at the moment!
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20200413 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on January 09, 2023, 04:15:58 PM
Found problem with Dopus4 on "WMvare + SVGA"

Basically with Dopus4 "standard" Screen SVGA (Display Workbench:Use) if you try to click 4/5 times consecutively on an Icon, WMvare generates an error, see screenshot.

Con Dopus4 schermo "standard" VESA (Display Workbench:Use), nessun problema.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20200413 Development
Post by: deadwood on January 10, 2023, 12:50:43 AM
@AMIGASYSTEM

Is this happening also with 2019-04-16?
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20200413 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on January 10, 2023, 02:25:54 AM
This morning the WMvare block problem by clicking on Icon file does not happen, probably last night my WMvare was messed up from the many tests.

I will add though that Dopus4 with SVGA works badly, as you can see from the screenshot if you scroll with the bar or mouse wheel, folders and files multiply and corrupt file names
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20200413 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on January 10, 2023, 06:00:29 AM
Reboot Command (Hot Reboot) does not work, it crashes the system, this also happens on SVGA, VESA and IntelGMA

I found that the problem is present on all your latest Builds, last Bulid where reboot works is "AROS-20161228-1"

I add that the problem is not the new "Reboot" Command, this works fine if run on an old Build
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20200413 Development
Post by: deadwood on January 10, 2023, 09:13:30 AM
Thanks, bug report submitted: https://github.com/deadw00d/AROS/issues/87
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20200413 Development
Post by: deadwood on January 10, 2023, 09:19:27 AM
Hi,

D2 build is available:
https://axrt.org/development/AROS-20190429-D2-pc-i386-boot-iso.zip

Fixes for ShowConfig and SysExplorer. Changes under dashed lines.
If anyone is able to test nVidia driver 2D and 3D, it'd be welcomed.

Code: [Select]
AROS ABIv0 20190429-D2 changes:

  Functionalities:
    Display free video memory in SysMon where supported (Kalamatee)
    Initial work on supporting 3D acceleration in VMWare video driver (Kalamatee)
-------------
    Implemented network driver for certain nVidia chipsets (Neil)

  64-bit support:


  68k support:


  ARM support:


  Updates:
    AROS build system (Kalamatee)
    Polish catalogs for SysExplorer, SysMon (wawa)

  Functional fixes:
    Prefs/ScreenMode (Kalamatee)
-------------
    autoinit (bugs: #40) (deadwood)

  Stability fixes:
-------------
    graphics.library (bugs: boot driver not unregistered correctly) (deadwood)
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20200413 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on January 10, 2023, 09:28:41 AM
Only "ShowConfig and SysExplorer" have been fixed, I ask this for integration testing on AROS One, otherwise I have to override the whole core again.

Regarding WMWare "SVGA" Blocking on Icon click, it happened again, it happens after you use AROS a bit.

Unfortunately, my NVIDIA GeForce 8600M GT card is not supported,
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20200413 Development
Post by: deadwood on January 10, 2023, 10:27:58 AM
You have to replace graphics.library and ShowConfig

For VMWare SVGA are those problems related to DOpus4 happening with reference ISO as well?
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20200413 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on January 10, 2023, 10:56:15 AM
You have to replace graphics.library and ShowConfig

Perfect now SysExplorer works fine also on AROS One, I also copied the SysExplorer file since it had a different size

Quote
For VMWare SVGA are those problems related to DOpus4 happening with reference ISO as well?

Unfortunately after restarting Windows, with WmWare I no longer have the error with Dopus4 on icon, it probably occurs after starting some other application, hard to pinpoint which one.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20200413 Development
Post by: ncafferkey on January 11, 2023, 08:00:08 AM
I’ve now got a machine with 3D-supported nVidia graphics. 3D works under 2019-01-21, but boot doesn’t complete under 2019-04-16 or -29 when the native graphics GRUB option is selected.

Should I test with the D2 ISO as well?
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20200413 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on January 11, 2023, 08:34:22 AM
@ncafferkey
Can you test with IntelGMA and nVidea the attached game ? basically on my Acer Z5 when you exit the game the computer restarts !

On Acer Z5 in Window Mode it is quite fast, in Fullscreen it is slow

http://aminet.net/package/game/misc/MunchDude
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20200413 Development
Post by: deadwood on January 11, 2023, 10:00:28 AM
I’ve now got a machine with 3D-supported nVidia graphics. 3D works under 2019-01-21, but boot doesn’t complete under 2019-04-16 or -29 when the native graphics GRUB option is selected.

Should I test with the D2 ISO as well?

Not at this time. Do I understand correctly that booting works with -16 and -29 when you use VESA?
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20200413 Development
Post by: ncafferkey on January 11, 2023, 10:20:08 AM
I’ve now got a machine with 3D-supported nVidia graphics. 3D works under 2019-01-21, but boot doesn’t complete under 2019-04-16 or -29 when the native graphics GRUB option is selected.

Should I test with the D2 ISO as well?

Not at this time. Do I understand correctly that booting works with -16 and -29 when you use VESA?

That’s correct.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20200413 Development
Post by: deadwood on January 11, 2023, 10:33:50 AM
@ncafferkey

If you have time, can you try previous releases to see when things got broken:

https://axrt.org/download/aros/v0/AROS-20161228-1-pc-i386-boot-iso.zip
https://axrt.org/download/aros/v0/AROS-20170402-5-pc-i386-boot-iso.zip
https://axrt.org/download/aros/v0/AROS-20180415-2-pc-i386-boot-iso.zip
https://axrt.org/download/aros/v0/AROS-20180423-1-pc-i386-boot-iso.zip
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20200413 Development
Post by: deadwood on January 11, 2023, 11:37:26 AM
@ncafferkey

Please try -D3. Possibly solves problem with "crash at exit" in 3D applications in IntelGMA.

https://axrt.org/development/AROS-20190429-D3-pc-i386-boot-iso.zip
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20200413 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on January 11, 2023, 02:26:26 PM
@ncafferkey

Please try -D3. Possibly solves problem with "crash at exit" in 3D applications in IntelGMA.

https://axrt.org/development/AROS-20190429-D3-pc-i386-boot-iso.zip

deadwood, if it is because of my report, now the 3D game MunchDude with IntelGMA closes without any problems.

Again if you tell me which files did you fix them I will integrate them on AROS One, that way I cross reference, thanks
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20200413 Development
Post by: deadwood on January 11, 2023, 02:39:18 PM
If you already integrated D1, then all you need to take from D3 is Devs:Monitors/IntelGMA
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20200413 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on January 11, 2023, 02:45:23 PM
Ok thank you, as you deploy I immediately integrate everything on AROS One. I need this to do the tests and comparisons simultaneously with your Build and my Distribution, very utiile operation to test Software not included in the build.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20200413 Development
Post by: ncafferkey on January 11, 2023, 06:40:04 PM
@ncafferkey
Can you test with IntelGMA and nVidea the attached game ? basically on my Acer Z5 when you exit the game the computer restarts !

On Acer Z5 in Window Mode it is quite fast, in Fullscreen it is slow

http://aminet.net/package/game/misc/MunchDude

I tested it under 2019-04-16 under IntelGMA. It crashed on exit with a guru. I can post a stack trace if it's useful. However, did you want me to test with the new files or ISO that Deadwood posted?
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20200413 Development
Post by: ncafferkey on January 11, 2023, 06:49:21 PM
@ncafferkey

If you have time, can you try previous releases to see when things got broken:

https://axrt.org/download/aros/v0/AROS-20161228-1-pc-i386-boot-iso.zip
https://axrt.org/download/aros/v0/AROS-20170402-5-pc-i386-boot-iso.zip
https://axrt.org/download/aros/v0/AROS-20180415-2-pc-i386-boot-iso.zip
https://axrt.org/download/aros/v0/AROS-20180423-1-pc-i386-boot-iso.zip

The 2016 build is good and 2017 is bad. I didn't try the 2018 builds.

BTW the symptom of this nVidia bug is that booting hangs on "[I2C] Init".
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20200413 Development
Post by: ncafferkey on January 11, 2023, 07:02:14 PM
@ncafferkey

Please try -D3. Possibly solves problem with "crash at exit" in 3D applications in IntelGMA.

https://axrt.org/development/AROS-20190429-D3-pc-i386-boot-iso.zip

Yes, gears and MunchDude no longer crash at exit :)
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20200413 Development
Post by: deadwood on January 11, 2023, 11:35:52 PM
@ncafferkey

If you have time, can you try previous releases to see when things got broken:

https://axrt.org/download/aros/v0/AROS-20161228-1-pc-i386-boot-iso.zip
https://axrt.org/download/aros/v0/AROS-20170402-5-pc-i386-boot-iso.zip
https://axrt.org/download/aros/v0/AROS-20180415-2-pc-i386-boot-iso.zip
https://axrt.org/download/aros/v0/AROS-20180423-1-pc-i386-boot-iso.zip

The 2016 build is good and 2017 is bad. I didn't try the 2018 builds.

BTW the symptom of this nVidia bug is that booting hangs on "[I2C] Init".

Thanks. I see if I can locate the problem.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20200413 Development
Post by: deadwood on January 12, 2023, 04:46:16 AM
The 2016 build is good and 2017 is bad. I didn't try the 2018 builds.

BTW the symptom of this nVidia bug is that booting hangs on "[I2C] Init".

@AMIGASYSTEM

Did you get any error reports about nVidia driver not working from people using your distribution?
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20200413 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on January 12, 2023, 07:56:35 AM
No no message received for my latest AROS One v1.9, but I think because NVIDEA works fine.

I did some tests with AROS One 1.9 (in the screenshot you can see the AROS version) with an old laptop (CDC) of mine which has 2 Video Cards "NVIDEA GeForce Go 6600" and one "GMA", these are the results:

- NVIDEA GeForce Go 6600 -> Works perfectly tested the game "MunchDude" no problem either in Windows Mode or FullScreen, no problma in game output

- GMA (don't know the exact model) -> "MunchDude" works fine in Windows Mode, in Fullscreen problems in game output.


On this PC I replaced IntelGMA Video Driver with the version you fixed, results:

- GMA -> Windows Mode "Black screen", Fullscreen "Black screen", basically only music can be heard.

Screenshots NVIDEA GeForce Go 6600 :


Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20200413 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on January 12, 2023, 07:59:17 AM
Screenshot GMA:
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20200413 Development
Post by: deadwood on January 12, 2023, 08:02:37 AM
@AMIGASYSTEM

Today I tried D3 on my old nVidia development computer and I'm getting the same issues as @ncaffekey. Booting with "native" drivers stops at some point. There is definitely some issue there, though it might be related to card model.

@ncafferkey what card model were you testing with?

As for integrating just the driver with AROS One v1.9 that won't work - other internal elements have changed as well.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20200413 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on January 12, 2023, 09:04:07 AM
I booted my old CDC laptop including the 2 Video Cards with your latest Build AROS-20190429-D3 (booted from PenDrive) !

- NVIDEA GeForce Go 6600 -> "MunchDude" window mode Guru in output, full screen mode system lock in game output
- GMA -> Window mode all OK, full screen mode system lock in game output

I add that "ScreenRecorder" with NVIDEA GeForce Go 6600 goes into Guru
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20200413 Development
Post by: deadwood on January 12, 2023, 09:13:51 AM
Ok, I did a series of tests on my hardware. Seems like 6xxx is the latest series that works. Computer with nVidia 8xxx series is already failing to boot using D3 and even previous release.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20200413 Development
Post by: deadwood on January 12, 2023, 10:28:26 AM
@AMIGASYSTEM

The problem with "crash at exit" in Nouveau has been found and will be fixed in D4
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20200413 Development
Post by: ncafferkey on January 12, 2023, 10:48:16 AM
My 3D-supported nVidia card is reported by PCI Tool as “GT200GL [Quadro FX 3800]”. The numbering may be unusual as it’s a workstation card.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20200413 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on January 12, 2023, 12:07:01 PM
I remember that there were a lot of variation even between Cards of fixed PCs and Laptop PCs, I had encountered this when I was i managed many PCs in my corporate network.

The other PCs I have at home do not have a supported video card:
AMD Radeon HD 5440
NVIDIA GeForce 8600M GT
Intel HD Graphics (card integrated into the motherboard)
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20200413 Development
Post by: deadwood on January 14, 2023, 09:05:57 AM
@ncafferkey

I looked into the freeze issues and it is quite strange. Seems like setting these attributes

Code: [Select]
            { aHidd_PCIDevice_isIO,     FALSE },    /* Don't listen IO transactions */
            { aHidd_PCIDevice_isMEM,    TRUE },     /* Listen to MEM transactions */
            { aHidd_PCIDevice_isMaster, TRUE },     /* Can work in BusMaster */

freezes the whole computer. I think this is somehow related to PCI-E devices. A lot of other drivers are setting them for PCI devices. Nouveau is also setting them for AGP cards and there is no problem. Problem seems to be only with PCI-E. There were changes on 2017-03-20 to pci/pcipc related to IRQ routing, which might be the problem. If you had similar issues in the past, let me know.


EDIT: Hmm, looks like adding noacpi boot option "solves" the problem for me. Can you try your hadrware?
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20200413 Development
Post by: ncafferkey on January 14, 2023, 05:07:11 PM
@ncafferkey

I looked into the freeze issues and it is quite strange. Seems like setting these attributes

Code: [Select]
            { aHidd_PCIDevice_isIO,     FALSE },    /* Don't listen IO transactions */
            { aHidd_PCIDevice_isMEM,    TRUE },     /* Listen to MEM transactions */
            { aHidd_PCIDevice_isMaster, TRUE },     /* Can work in BusMaster */

freezes the whole computer. I think this is somehow related to PCI-E devices. A lot of other drivers are setting them for PCI devices. Nouveau is also setting them for AGP cards and there is no problem. Problem seems to be only with PCI-E. There were changes on 2017-03-20 to pci/pcipc related to IRQ routing, which might be the problem. If you had similar issues in the past, let me know.


EDIT: Hmm, looks like adding noacpi boot option "solves" the problem for me. Can you try your hadrware?

"noacpi" works around the problem for me too. I did have some problems with PCI changes around that time. I think I fixed some of them on 2018-03-25, but IIRC it was related to problems I saw on my AspireOne.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20200413 Development
Post by: deadwood on January 15, 2023, 01:48:10 AM
NVIDIA GeForce 8600M GT

Why do you say this card is not supported? What happens when you try booting with native drivers?
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20200413 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on January 15, 2023, 02:35:09 AM
Win10 sees the card as an NVIDIA GeForce 8600M GS.

In native mode I get a Black screen
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20200413 Development
Post by: deadwood on January 15, 2023, 03:17:16 AM
Can you try booting with native drivers but with noacpi option added to boot command line?

Additionally, can you give me PCI Product ID (or make a screen shot from PCITool with card selected).
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20200413 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on January 15, 2023, 03:39:16 AM
I attach screenshot PCI Tools (On this laptop "Aspire 5920" the audio doesn't work either)

Excuse me could you tell me exactly where to put the noacpi option, thanks

I entered the noacpi option in the Grub.cfg le the screen remains black, maybe I got the command wrong or the place to enter the option?
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20200413 Development
Post by: deadwood on January 15, 2023, 04:28:50 AM
The product ID is listed in nouveau, so it should at least try to boot.

See the screen shot on where to add the option.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20200413 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on January 15, 2023, 05:08:16 AM
Done, nothing changes, I always get a black screen
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20200413 Development
Post by: deadwood on January 15, 2023, 05:10:31 AM
Ok, thanks for testing.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20200413 Development
Post by: deadwood on January 15, 2023, 12:18:20 PM
FYI, the setting of attributes was a false lead. Setting isIO to FALSE was stopping debug being shown. What I see now is that in ACPI mode, the video card is not sending interrupts and driver hands on waiting for signal that command queue was processed. I will have to look deeper on why interrupts are not generated.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20200413 Development
Post by: ncafferkey on January 15, 2023, 12:59:19 PM
I tested an Eee PC 700. Boot fails with the recent 2019-04 ISOs with both VESA and IntelGMA graphics. I then bisected the failure with the older ISOs: 2016 is good, 2017 is bad.

See the 2017 guru attached.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20200413 Development
Post by: deadwood on January 15, 2023, 01:41:32 PM
@ncafferkey

Is the result any different with 'noacpi' or 'noioapic' options?
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20200413 Development
Post by: ncafferkey on January 15, 2023, 08:46:58 PM
@ncafferkey

Is the result any different with 'noacpi' or 'noioapic' options?

I found out that the problem with the Eee PC is different from what I originally thought. When I disable ATA, boot gets stuck on the "Waiting for bootable media" screen. So it seems AROS can't see the USB stick and I think that previously it was trying to boot from an old, incompatible AROS installation on the SSD from that point, resulting in the guru I posted earlier.

However, there now instead seems to be a USB regression on this machine, since AROS can't see USB sticks (nor possibly any USB devices or host interfaces). I've tried two different models of USB stick BTW. USB isn't seen when I add noacpi and/or noioapic either.

BTW, I would have identified the real problem sooner, except that the boot option ATA=off no longer works. Luckily, as a last-minute check, I tried the equivalent but less convenient ATA=nopci,nolegacy to disable ATA. Can this be looked at as well?
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20200413 Development
Post by: deadwood on January 16, 2023, 02:39:42 AM
Good to hear you made progress. I will see about re-introducing ATA=off, for the time being I think you can simply remove ata.device from kernel modules list - this should have the same effect I think.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20200413 Development
Post by: deadwood on January 16, 2023, 03:10:43 AM
New build available. Should fix problems with PCI-E nVidia cards not working. It might also help if there were other regressions related to interrupts.

If you are upgrading from -D3, copy:
Devs/Drivers/nouveau.hidd
Arch/pc/kernel.gz
Libs/mesa3dgl.library

https://axrt.org/development/AROS-20190429-D4-pc-i386-boot-iso.zip

Changelog:

Code: [Select]
AROS ABIv0 20190429-D4 changes:

  Functionalities:
    Display free video memory in SysMon where supported (Kalamatee)
    Initial work on supporting 3D acceleration in VMWare video driver (Kalamatee)
    Implemented network driver for certain nVidia chipsets (Neil)
-------------

  64-bit support:


  68k support:


  ARM support:


  Updates:
    AROS build system (Kalamatee)
    Polish catalogs for SysExplorer, SysMon (wawa)
-------------

  Functional fixes:
    Prefs/ScreenMode (Kalamatee)
    autoinit (bugs: #40) (deadwood)
    hostgl.library (make it work with newer 64-bit hosts) (deadwood)
-------------
    Workaround for GF8xxx+ cards not working with AROS (Kalamatee, deadwood)

  Stability fixes:
    graphics.library (bugs: boot driver not unregistered correctly) (deadwood)
-------------
    mesa3dgl.library (bugs: crash in shared program compiler) (deadwood)
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20200413 Development
Post by: Amiwell on January 16, 2023, 05:17:04 AM
thank you deadwood :)
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20200413 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on January 16, 2023, 08:35:33 AM
New build available. Should fix problems with PCI-E nVidia cards not working. It might also help if there were other regressions related to interrupts.

Fatto alcuni Test con la nuova Build sui miei PC:

---------------------------------------------

Laptop CDC:

NVIDEA NV43M (GeForce Go 6600) -> All Ok , no problem

Intel GMA Mobile 915GM/GMS 910GML -> All Ok , no problem

-----------------------------------------------

Netbook ACER Aspire One ZG5:

Intel GMA Mobile 945SE -> All Ok , no problem

-----------------------------------------------

Netbook Dell Inspiron Mini 910:

No starts anymore, Error -> uhci InitCode/991: Host ERROR !

Previous builds worked well

----------------------------------------------

Laptop ACER ASpire 5920:

NVIDIA GeForce 8600M GS -> Black screen does not work
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20200413 Development
Post by: deadwood on January 16, 2023, 08:38:20 AM
Thanks for tests, for Dell Inspiron Mini 910, are you booting from CD or USB pendrive?
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20200413 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on January 16, 2023, 12:16:47 PM
Started from From Pendrive, Dell Inspiron Mini 910 is a "Netbook" does not have CD/DVD drive, as said before from penDrive it booted quietly.

On Dell Inspiron Mini 910 in the Internal SSD is installed Windows XP
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20200413 Development
Post by: deadwood on January 16, 2023, 12:27:02 PM
Ok, got it. For -D4 please try adding "noacpi" option to grub command line to see if that helps.

Can you also boot -D3 version on it with "noacpi" option and let me know what is the result.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20200413 Development
Post by: Jeff1138 on January 16, 2023, 12:40:23 PM
Hi,

Not sure if this this is the same issue but the acer aspire r3610 nettop with ion 2 le nvidia gfx, the usb D4 version boot stops in the same place as previous Aros USB versions. 1% of the time it will go through without issue but most of the time stuck on the below. Any idea why this is?

D4 usb native with noacpi sysdebug=all, last lines are

[Exec] RamLib: OpenLibrary("utility.library", 36)
[Exec] RamLib: OpenLibrary(utility.library", 36) = B0304250

D4 usb native with sysdebug=all

[Exec] RamLib: OpenLibrary("utility.library", 36)
[Exec] RamLib: OpenLibrary(utility.library", 36) = B0327760

afterwhich both times just hangs indefinitely

Jeff

Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20200413 Development
Post by: deadwood on January 16, 2023, 12:52:45 PM
@Jeff1138

Does -D3 or reference release work on this computer?
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20200413 Development
Post by: Jeff1138 on January 16, 2023, 01:00:06 PM
Hi,

Reference iso put installed to usb via virtualbox hangs same place

reference usb native with noacpi sysdebug=all, last lines are

[Exec] RamLib: OpenLibrary("utility.library", 36)
[Exec] RamLib: OpenLibrary(utility.library", 36) = B02D80E0

D3 stuck in the same place

Jeff
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20200413 Development
Post by: nikos on January 16, 2023, 01:07:12 PM
Everything good with DELL Latitude D520.
I ran GPMark and got same results as before.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20200413 Development
Post by: deadwood on January 16, 2023, 01:18:04 PM
@Jeff1138

Unfortunately it seems to be breaking very early in kernel initialization. That's nothing I can "debug" remotely.

Try booting ABIv1 bootiso (pc-i386-boot-iso) : http://www.aros.org/nightly1.php

It contains a more advanced kernel than current ABIv0, so maybe the issue has been solved "in future".
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20200413 Development
Post by: deadwood on January 16, 2023, 01:19:42 PM
Everything good with DELL Latitude D520.
I ran GPMark and got same results as before.

Thanks for the test. :)
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20200413 Development
Post by: Jeff1138 on January 16, 2023, 01:39:41 PM
Hi,

@deadwood Thanks will do

Jeff
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20200413 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on January 16, 2023, 02:37:36 PM
Ok, got it. For -D4 please try adding "noacpi" option to grub command line to see if that helps.

Not working, error ->  uhci Init/1260:  uhci Init return TRUE ...

Quote
Can you also boot -D3 version on it with "noacpi" option and let me know what is the result.

Build D3 + Native + "noacpi" -> errore ->  uhci Init/1260:  uhci Init return TRUE ...

Build D3 + VESA + "noacpi" ->  works well

Build D3 + Native (without noacpi) works well

Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20200413 Development
Post by: deadwood on January 16, 2023, 11:18:58 PM
Ok, what about:

Build D4 + VESA (without noacpi)?
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20200413 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on January 17, 2023, 01:54:43 AM
Build D4 + VESA (without noacpi)

No starts anymore, Error -> uhci InitCode/991: Host ERROR !

Dell Inspiron Mini 910, slightly different video card from Acer ACER Aspire One ZG5

ACER Aspire One ZG5 -> Intel GMA 945SE

Dell Inspiron Mini 910 -> IntelGMA 945GSE
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20200413 Development
Post by: deadwood on January 17, 2023, 02:36:10 AM
Ok, it looks like disabling IOAPIC which was needed for nVidia cards to start working breaks boot on this computer. It might be that the BIOS is set to require an ACPI-compatible operating system.

For now I create a bug report: https://github.com/deadw00d/AROS/issues/88

Once we upgrade to final version, I can build you a custom kernel that matches -D3 behavior. It might be needed on other machines as well, so would be good to include it in grub config options.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20200413 Development
Post by: deadwood on January 17, 2023, 03:08:52 AM
New ISO available - this time base is updated to 20191209. See the changelog below. No fixes of reported issues vs -D4, so just do general regression testing

https://axrt.org/development/AROS-20191209-D7-pc-i386-boot-iso.zip.zip

Code: [Select]
AROS ABIv0 20191209-D7 changes:

  Functionalities:
    Display free video memory in SysMon where supported (Kalamatee)
    Initial work on supporting 3D acceleration in VMWare video driver (Kalamatee)
    Implemented network driver for certain nVidia chipsets (Neil)
-------------
    Initial work on scsi.device (Kalamatee)
    Signal CxObject support implemented (Hakan Thorngren)
    Support PUBSCREEN argument in Prefs/Appearance, BoingIconBar (Kalamatee)
    Support PUBSCREEN argument in Tools/Clock and multiple Prefs applications (Hakan Thorngren)
    Support PUBSCREEN variable support in intuition.library (o1i)
    Improvements to rendering screen and window title bars (Kalamatee)

  64-bit support:
-------------
    Application.mui (deadwood)


  68k support:
-------------
    Major extensions to amigavideo.hidd (Kalamatee, Toni Wilen)
    Kernel (Kalamatee, Michal Schulz)
    Detect ROM sizes and CPU types (Kalamatee, Hakan Thorngren)
    Initial work on wd33c93 SCSI support (Kalamatee)
    Decrease sizes of ROM and boot floppy (Kalamatee)
    Improve speed of line drawing in p96gfx.hidd (Hakan Thorngren)
    Kernel Vampire support (Kalamatee)
    Fix loading and saving Wanderer global.prefs (Bo Kopperud)
    Work on screen compositing in amigavideo.hidd (Kalamatee)
    Separate preferences set for classic look & feel (Kalamatee, wawa)
    Support user copper lists (Kalamatee)

  ARM support:
-------------
    BetterString.mcc fixes (Michal Schulz)

  Updates:
    AROS build system (Kalamatee, deadwood, Michal Schulz, Matthias Rustler)
    Polish catalogs for SysExplorer, SysMon (wawa)
-------------
    BetterString.mcc v11.33 (wawa)
    Documentation (o1i)
    Italian catalog for BoingIconBar (Paolo Besser)
    Norwegian catalogs for large number of programs in AROS (Stale Kopperud)
    Prefs/Wanderer (Kalamatee)
    VPDF (wawa)

  Functional fixes:
    Prefs/ScreenMode (Kalamatee)
    autoinit (bugs: #40) (deadwood)
    hostgl.library (make it work with newer 64-bit hosts) (deadwood)
    Workaround for GF8xxx+ cards not working with AROS (Kalamatee, deadwood)
-------------
    posixc.library (Kalamatee)
    amigaguide.datatype (bugs: initial rendering no always working) (Hakan Thorngren)

  Stability fixes:
    graphics.library (bugs: boot driver not unregistered correctly) (deadwood)
    mesa3dgl.library (bugs: crash in shared program compiler) (deadwood)
-------------
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20200413 Development
Post by: paolone on January 17, 2023, 08:05:43 AM
I just downloaded D7 and quickly tested on Icaros virtual machine. I once had ASL requesters crashing while the "Boing GL" demo was running in the background (with native VMware driver set to 1366x768 using screenmode prefs). Except from that, which I couldn't reproduce anymore, I haven't experienced any major issue.


I am only amazed by the advancements of the operating system - which I couldn't appreciate with actual software running along - and thank you so much for your backport hard work.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20200413 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on January 17, 2023, 08:25:18 AM
Built D7 works well, no problems encountered on VMs, and real PCs, other than the predictive reports for "Dell," I am now integrating D7 on AROS One and checking overall compatibility with third-party software., no problems encountered other than the predictive reports for "Dell," I am now integrating D7 on AROS One and checking overall compatibility with third-party software.

Question, is Built D7 also available for AROS 68k?
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20200413 Development
Post by: Amiwell on January 17, 2023, 09:01:48 AM
deadwood all ok on my HP Z400 with nvidia quadro nvs 295 and vesa mode :)
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20200413 Development
Post by: deadwood on January 17, 2023, 09:09:56 AM
Question, is Built D7 also available for AROS 68k?

AROS 68k already includes listed changes since 2019.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20200413 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on January 17, 2023, 09:34:15 AM
OK, so the Bulits that are in the attached link are more updated ? possible to know what has been updated to date, thanks

https://build.axrt.org/download/builds/AROS-ABIv11/
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20200413 Development
Post by: Amiwell on January 17, 2023, 09:54:40 AM
deadwood multiview on archives is 1.8 version, in the build is 1.6, sysexplorer works
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20200413 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on January 17, 2023, 11:16:30 AM
deadwood, quickly tested D7 integrated into AROS One x86. and it seems to run splendidly, tried running multiple heavy applications without having problems, tests continue ...

Question ? what is the Installer included with the various Builds for, tried several times and it never worked.

On AROS One x86 to install my Applications I use "InstallerLG" which is also compatible with Amiga scripts.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20200413 Development
Post by: deadwood on January 17, 2023, 11:42:48 AM
I was thinking on making InstallerLG part of AROS core. Seems to be used in many case. I know Mazze tried porting it at some point, but then reverted - I don't know why.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20200413 Development
Post by: deadwood on January 17, 2023, 11:45:24 AM
I am only amazed by the advancements of the operating system - which I couldn't appreciate with actual software running along - and thank you so much for your backport hard work.

We still have 3 years of updated to catch up ;)
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20200413 Development
Post by: deadwood on January 17, 2023, 11:48:26 AM
deadwood multiview on archives is 1.8 version, in the build is 1.6, sysexplorer works

Thanks
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20200413 Development
Post by: deadwood on January 17, 2023, 11:50:32 AM
https://build.axrt.org/download/builds/AROS-ABIv11/

Yes, these are ABIv11 builds - they use the latest codebase. If you want to see changes, here is commit log:

https://github.com/deadw00d/AROS/commits/master
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20200413 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on January 17, 2023, 12:10:56 PM
I know Mazze tried porting it at some point, but then reverted - I don't know why.

Maybe tried early versions, now it works very well, indispensable for those who create installers for their software.

On AROS One I use it for installing the various types of icons and for any updates.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20200413 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on January 17, 2023, 12:14:35 PM
https://build.axrt.org/download/builds/AROS-ABIv11/

Thanks for the link

From that link I am constantly updating AROS One 68k, but at the moment I do not consider it ripe for distribution, I will do it when AROS 68k no longer needs OS3 libraries and when it is more compatible with old and new OS3 software.

Multiview v1.8 and the one developed by miker, it works better and can save any images in ILBM.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20200413 Development
Post by: ncafferkey on January 17, 2023, 12:28:01 PM
Tests with D4:

Acer AspireOne:
 - Boots, but there's a delay in seeing the USB stick (the boot media screen appears briefly). This didn't happen in 2016-12-28; but happens with 2017-04-02 and later. I tried two completely different sticks.
 - My previous reported failures on this machine were due to attempts to fall back to booting from incompatible builds on the SSD (as discussed regarding the EeePC 700).

EeePC 700:
 - Still doesn't see the USB stick. A USB mouse plugged in at boot media screen works for moving the pointer around that screen. Replugging the stick at the boot media screen (either directly or through a USB 1.1 hub) doesn't work.
 - "noacpi noioapic" tried.
 - Two stick types tried.

PCI-E nVidia graphics:
 - Native and 3D graphics work fine.

Toshiba NB550D:
 - Boots (VESA, no driver for native graphics).
 - ACPI reboot is broken: Ctrl-Alt-Del clears the screen and hangs; Wanderer's reboot option and shell command "reboot cold" powers off the machine!
 - The following warning appears during boot: "ACPI BIOS Warning (bug): Optional FADT field Pm2ControlBlock has zero address or length..."
 - Reboot works properly in 2017-04-02, but I don't know if ACPI or legacy reboot was used at that time. Broken on 2019-04-13. 2018 not tried.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20200413 Development
Post by: deadwood on January 17, 2023, 12:37:03 PM
@ncafferkey

Thanks. I added reports for reboot problem to this bug: https://github.com/deadw00d/AROS/issues/87
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20200413 Development
Post by: ncafferkey on January 17, 2023, 04:04:51 PM
I briefly tested five machines with 20191209-d7 and didn't notice any regressions compared with 20190429-d4.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20200413 Development
Post by: paolone on January 18, 2023, 06:52:42 AM
Hello! If you wish to extensively test D7 in a broader AROS environment, please download and install this new beta of Icaros Desktop. It includes all latest improvements to the distribution, along with D7 AROS system files. Have a nice day!


https://vmwaros.blogspot.com/2023/01/new-year-new-icaros-live-beta.html

Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20200413 Development
Post by: deadwood on January 18, 2023, 07:13:15 AM
Thanks Paolo :)
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20200413 Development
Post by: paolone on January 18, 2023, 10:02:45 AM
Some glitches I noticed with D7


- black workbench desktop when exiting a fullscreen application with VMware native driver, any resolution. You can clean the screen and have it back to normal by grabbing a windows and moving it like it was a sponge. This also happened before.


- repeated pixel lines when scrolling up and down contents with any application, in particular this can be experienced on OWB, this also happened before, again with VMware native video driver.


- prefs/ZUNE does not work. Can't open it.

- this is new: I can't REBOOT COLD anymore, because during reset VMware shuts down completely instead of rebooting the whole virtual machine. I guess it has to do with ACPI support. ONOH, warm reboot now seems to work OK, while before it didn't.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20200413 Development
Post by: paolone on January 18, 2023, 10:14:04 AM
- cannot change stack size with magellan "icon -> information" tool. I tried changing zune.info in prefs from 8192 to 65536 (before) and 1000000 (after), but no change, it always tell stack size is 8192.


NO PROBLEM WITH WANDERER


 ATTACHED log
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20200413 Development
Post by: deadwood on January 18, 2023, 11:12:02 AM
- prefs/ZUNE does not work. Can't open it.

Are you testing D7 ISO directly or integrated into Icaros? I tried opening Prefs/Zune in VirtualBox using VESA and it opens.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20200413 Development
Post by: Amiwell on January 18, 2023, 11:44:40 AM
prefs/ZUNE works for me but is the standard D7 iso, maybe the problem is the TheBar class

https://www.adrive.com/public/w7pJVK/MyTheBar.lha
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20200413 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on January 18, 2023, 12:12:01 PM

- prefs/ZUNE does not work. Can't open it.


Paolo with the VMware "Native Driver" (SVGA) Zune Prefs works fine, see screenshot, try cleaning up the Zune folder in "Prefs/Env-Archive/Zune", leave only "global.prefs" and "usethemeprefs"

The other problems you reported are confirmed, I had also mentioned them in previous builds
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20200413 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on January 18, 2023, 01:30:03 PM
@deadwood

I noticed that on AROS 68k with the new "Wanderer prefs" the "important" problem I reported several times (see screenshot) has been solved, i.e. the possibility to make a "real" move of a file or folder "in the same path", in practice with AROS x86 moving an icon or a folder makes a normal copy, instead of moving it.

Is it possible to have on AROS x86 the Wanderer version of ARSOS 68k?
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20200413 Development
Post by: miker1264 on January 18, 2023, 08:59:05 PM
@deadwood

I noticed that on AROS 68k with the new "Wanderer prefs" the "important" problem I reported several times (see screenshot) has been solved, i.e. the possibility to make a "real" move of a file or folder "in the same path", in practice with AROS x86 moving an icon or a folder makes a normal copy, instead of moving it.

Is it possible to have on AROS x86 the Wanderer version of ARSOS 68k?

AMIGASYSTEM

It mostly depends on the date of the code base for 68k. AROS 68k as far as I know relies on a more recent set of system files based on ABIv1 development. AROS x86 however relies on the system files that deadwood has backported and those are organized by date. But we are still a year or two behind ABIv1.

About a year ago a change was made to Wanderer such that if you drag a file to a drawer on the same volume it will move it. If it's a different volume it will copy it. Maybe those changes will be in one of the more recent releases of ABIv0.

Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20200413 Development
Post by: deadwood on January 18, 2023, 11:44:37 PM
@AMIGASYSTEM

@miker1264 Thanks for pointing this out. The change with moving is on 2020-05, so beyond the target date for this release, but I see if I can still add it.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20200413 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on January 19, 2023, 01:20:56 AM
Thanks deadwood, I know that version of Wanderer 68k is more up to date, but having it now would be very helpful !
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20200413 Development
Post by: Amiwell on January 19, 2023, 04:25:26 AM
Paolone In the previous version of Icaros I replaced the TheBar class and it worked :)
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20200413 Development
Post by: paolone on January 19, 2023, 07:49:41 AM
Paolone In the previous version of Icaros I replaced the TheBar class and it worked :)


Thanks. All reports I do are on integrated Icaros so excuse me if something may be related to external software.


After all, the point of integrating D7 into Icaros Desktop is exactly seeing the interaction with AROS software.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20200413 Development
Post by: deadwood on January 19, 2023, 08:24:12 AM
After all, the point of integrating D7 into Icaros Desktop is exactly seeing the interaction with AROS software.

In case you are reporting something related to core system (that came on my build iso), please repeat to test the with raw ISO to provide more context :)
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20200413 Development
Post by: paolone on January 19, 2023, 08:24:39 AM
After all, the point of integrating D7 into Icaros Desktop is exactly seeing the interaction with AROS software.

In case you are reporting something related to core system (that came on my build iso), please repeat to test the with raw ISO to provide more context :)


ok
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20200413 Development
Post by: deadwood on January 21, 2023, 06:25:04 AM
Welcome to 2020! ;)

New ISO available: https://axrt.org/development/AROS-20200108-D10-pc-i386-boot-iso.zip

Known issues:
  - mouse pointer shape is not loading from preferences - will be fixed in final version

Please pay spacial attention to InstallAROS - there were some changes and I fixed a few bugs, but I don't know if I fixed all of them.
Also this build brings a number of functional additions (see change log). You might want to try them out.

Change log:
Code: [Select]
AROS ABIv0 20200108-D10 changes:

  Functionalities:
    Display free video memory in SysMon where supported (Kalamatee)
    Initial work on supporting 3D acceleration in VMWare video driver (Kalamatee)
    Implemented network driver for certain nVidia chipsets (Neil)
    Initial work on scsi.device (Kalamatee)
    Signal CxObject support implemented (Hakan Thorngren)
    Support PUBSCREEN argument in Prefs/Appearance, BoingIconBar (Kalamatee)
    Support PUBSCREEN argument in Tools/Clock and multiple Prefs applications (Hakan Thorngren)
    Support PUBSCREEN variable support in intuition.library (o1i)
    Improvements to rendering screen and window title bars (Kalamatee)
-------------
    Allow video drivers to report display change (Kalamatee)
    Prefs/IControl works better on low-resolution screens (Kalamatee)
    Set overscan based on information coming from driver (Kalamatee)
    Prefs/ScreenMode display more information about video modes (Kalamatee)
    Prefs/Palette reworked to be more compatible with Intuition (Kalamatee)
    Muimaster.library and built-in classes have been localized (Matthias Rustler)
    Initial work on supporting long filenames in afs-handler (Kalamatee)
    Palette preferences are now loaded into Intuition (Kalamatee)
    Implemented SetMem, Strlcat, Strlcpy in utility.library (Kalamatee)
    Implemented VSNPritnf in utility.library (Matthias Rustler)
    AmigaPL font collection added (wawa)
    Implemented GetKey, AddKBInt, RemKBInt, ElapsedTime in lowlevel.library (Kalamatee)
    Part of functionality of SystemControlA in lowlevel.library available (Kalamatee)

  64-bit support:
    Application.mui (functional fixes) (deadwood)
-------------
    gif.datatype (stability fixes) (Kalamatee)
    hdaudio.audio (functional fixes) (Kalamatee)

  68k support:
    Major extensions to amigavideo.hidd (Kalamatee, Toni Wilen)
    Kernel (Kalamatee, Michal Schulz)
    Detect ROM sizes and CPU types (Kalamatee, Hakan Thorngren)
    Initial work on wd33c93 SCSI support (Kalamatee)
    Decrease sizes of ROM and boot floppy (Kalamatee)
    Improve speed of line drawing in p96gfx.hidd (Hakan Thorngren)
    Kernel Vampire support (Kalamatee)
    Fix loading and saving Wanderer global.prefs (Bo Kopperud)
    Work on screen compositing in amigavideo.hidd (Kalamatee)
    Separate preferences set for classic look & feel (Kalamatee, wawa)
    Support user copper lists (Kalamatee)
-------------
    Fixed CapsLock support in keyboard driver (Kalamatee)
    Speed improved in Gayle ata driver (Michal Schulz)
    Introduction of SAGA video driver (Michal Schulz)
    Flexcat (support AmigaPL and amiga1251 encodings) (Kalamatee)
    Decrease use of C library functions in ROM code (Kalamatee)
    Improve CLUT bitmap handling in p96gfx.hidd (Kalamatee)
    Kernel AMMX support (Michal Schulz)
    Fix in dos.library HUNK format support (Michal Schulz)
    Binary compatibility fix in timer.device relating to A0 (Michal Schulz)

  ARM support:
    BetterString.mcc fixes (Michal Schulz)
-------------

  Updates:
    AROS build system (Kalamatee, deadwood, Michal Schulz, Matthias Rustler)
    Polish catalogs for SysExplorer, SysMon, muimaster.library (wawa)
    BetterString.mcc v11.33 (wawa)
    Documentation (o1i, Matthias Rustler)
    Italian catalog for BoingIconBar (Paolo Besser)
    Norwegian catalogs for large number of programs in AROS (Bo Kopperud)
    Prefs/Wanderer (Kalamatee)
    VPDF (wawa)
-------------
    ShowConfig (Kalamatee)
    pfs3-handler (wawa)
    bmp.datatype (Miker, Kalamatee)
    Prefs/Palette, SysExplorer and muimaster.library German catalogs (Matthias Rustler)
    Re-encode most of catalog files to fixed used characters (Kalamatee)
    InstallAROS (Kalamatee)
    C:Mount, C:Assign (Kalamatee)
    grub 2.04 (Kalamatee)

  Functional fixes:
    Prefs/ScreenMode (Kalamatee)
    autoinit (bugs: #40) (deadwood)
    hostgl.library (make it work with newer 64-bit hosts) (deadwood)
    Workaround for GF8xxx+ cards not working with AROS (Kalamatee, deadwood)
    posixc.library (Kalamatee)
    amigaguide.datatype (bugs: initial rendering no always working) (Hakan Thorngren)
-------------
    intuition.library (bugs: screen can be dragged down lower than bar) (Kalamatee)
    Intuition.library (bugs: trying to show shutdown screen when no driver) (Kalamatee)
    Prefs/Printer (Kalamatee)
    DiskInfo (bugs: damaged window title) (Matthias Rustler)
    Palette.mui (bugs: wrong values retured by Entries and Names attributes) (Kalamatee)
    Shell (Michal Schulz)
    picture.datatype (bugs: wrong values returned for certain attributes) (Kalamatee)
    gif.datatype (bugs: wrong saving of gifs) (Kalamatee)
    console.device (bugs: wrong pens used) (Kalamatee)
    afs-handler (Kalamatee)

  Stability fixes:
    graphics.library (bugs: boot driver not unregistered correctly) (deadwood)
    mesa3dgl.library (bugs: crash in shared program compiler) (deadwood)
-------------
    Prefs/Palette (bugs: memory overwrite) (Kalamatee)
    SysExplorer (bugs: use of uninitialized object) (Matthias Rustler)
    x11gfx.hidd (bugs: wrong memory free) (Matthias Rustler)
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20200413 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on January 21, 2023, 06:32:59 AM
Good job deadwood, I will test the Build right away, after that I will integrate it on AROS One, and check compatibility with third party software !
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20200413 Development
Post by: Amiwell on January 21, 2023, 06:47:00 AM
Great Deadwood
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20200413 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on January 21, 2023, 06:57:28 AM
deadwood, ScreenMode goes in GURU, see screenshot !

Pointer prefs works fine, in the Build preferences probably there is corrupted pointer.prefs.

Of course im "SVGA" Mode the 32Bit Poniter is not supported yet, it works fine though in VESA, see screenshot

Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20200413 Development
Post by: deadwood on January 21, 2023, 07:00:19 AM
The guru in ScreenMode - is this under VESA or VMSVGA?
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20200413 Development
Post by: Amiwell on January 21, 2023, 07:07:11 AM
i booted the iso in my system vesa and native graphics works, sysexplorer and showconfig works, the classic aros pointer do not show
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20200413 Development
Post by: deadwood on January 21, 2023, 07:15:51 AM
@Amiwell

Ok, thx for test
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20200413 Development
Post by: Amiwell on January 21, 2023, 07:20:26 AM
sys/utilities/help about corruption works again in the previus iso there is a coruption on requester
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20200413 Development
Post by: deadwood on January 21, 2023, 07:23:54 AM
It still crashes for me under hosted. I made note to look into this.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20200413 Development
Post by: Amiwell on January 21, 2023, 07:25:55 AM
ok deadwood :)
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20200413 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on January 21, 2023, 07:50:21 AM
The guru in ScreenMode - is this under VESA or VMSVGA?

The Guru appears in both VESA and SVGA
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20200413 Development
Post by: ncafferkey on January 21, 2023, 12:53:26 PM
I installed D10 to USB stick from VirtualBox without problems.

I noticed two problems that aren't new (they also occur in the reference build):
 - ClickToFront doesn't work if caps lock is on. I'm guessing this is a side effect of it not working (presumably deliberately) when shift is held down.
 - You can draw boxes on empty areas of Wanderer windows if you hold down shift intermitently. See screenshot [actually, I can't post that because it's a whopping 391k, and I have better things to do than convert it].
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20200413 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on January 21, 2023, 01:31:47 PM
You just convert the image to JPG and an 800x600 or 860/640 resolution, and degrade the image quality to the size required by the forum, see my screenshots
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20200413 Development
Post by: deadwood on January 22, 2023, 01:27:57 AM
@All

Thanks for the tests. I'm now proceeding with update to our final base for this release. If you find additional regression, please keep reporting them.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20200413 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on January 22, 2023, 01:32:28 AM
@All

Thanks for the tests. I'm now proceeding with update to our final base for this release. If you find additional regression, please keep reporting them.

Okay, if there is no new update for the time being, I could distribute the new AROS One v2.0 with the new core, thank you
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20200413 Development
Post by: deadwood on January 22, 2023, 02:25:04 AM
My suggestion would be to wait for the real release with release of distribution. -Dx versions are not fully tested and do not guarantee backwards compatibility.

If you release a distribution based on -Dx version and some binary incompatibility slips through, developers might start compiling programs that will not work with full release. I'd advise not doing this.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20200413 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on January 22, 2023, 03:05:42 AM
Okay then I'll wait for the final release, as you know I'm very finicky, and I care that everything should work as well as possible, all questio to give good visibility to AROS.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20200413 Development
Post by: Amiwell on January 22, 2023, 06:01:41 AM
My suggestion would be to wait for the real release with release of distribution. -Dx versions are not fully tested and do not guarantee backwards compatibility.

If you release a distribution based on -Dx version and some binary incompatibility slips through, developers might start compiling programs that will not work with full release. I'd advise not doing this.

ok deadwood
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20200413 Development
Post by: Amiwell on January 22, 2023, 06:51:39 AM
Deadwood I did not find incompatibility with the software with the build D7, hivelytracker does not work for me
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20200413 Development
Post by: deadwood on January 22, 2023, 06:55:30 AM
@Amiwell

Ok, thanks. Which is the last build that hivelytracker works?
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20200413 Development
Post by: Amiwell on January 22, 2023, 07:10:41 AM
I have to try then I'll tell you if it works
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20200413 Development
Post by: Amiwell on January 22, 2023, 07:19:27 AM
ok the problem is who many files is missed the code of your build is perfect
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20200413 Development
Post by: Amiwell on January 22, 2023, 07:21:33 AM
I use AROS as the main system for years you boot Windows to create my distribution but I can say that you can create with it there is excellent software ;)
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20200413 Development
Post by: Amiwell on January 22, 2023, 07:50:16 AM
ok works with the rispective fonts who was missed
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20200413 Development
Post by: deadwood on January 22, 2023, 10:04:52 AM
Ok, thanks for confirmation.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: deadwood on January 24, 2023, 09:34:55 AM
Hi,

Some good news! First of all, we arrived at final code base for this release. This mean, bearing unforeseen circumstances, following builds should be more incremental in nature, having only a few changed components. The other good news is that I've been able to push even further than initially planned - the base has been moved to 20201110! In total the new release will have 1400 commits from various developers integrated!

Here are topic that still needs to be addressed before official release:
  - ATA=off switch
  - kernel needs IOAPIC disabled for nVidia PCI-E cards to work
  - Sys:Utilities/Help -> About crash
  - Prefs/ScreenMode crash
  - possible binary incompatibility with functions taking RAWARG
  - Dual-PNG icons are not working
  - Insert/Eject CD does not mount/unmount volumes
  - AmiStart does not work
  - RNOTunes - not working buttons
  - regression in GCC tests
  - C++ programs cannot be linked
  - https://github.com/deadw00d/AROS/issues/86
  - ACPI Reboot/Shutdown on VMs
  - Acer Aspire One / Eepc USB problems

Please report additional regression if found. As mentioned there will be following builds addressing these problems.

Additionally, for distribution maintainers: Please note that there were several header (.h) and library files (.a) removed from  Development:include and Development:lib. This was done on purpose. Please also remove them from your distributions. Best approach would be to delete your Development: and re-create it based on what's on the ISO + what's in contrib archive.

Here are downloads:
https://axrt.org/development/AROS-20201110-D14-pc-i386-boot-iso.zip
https://axrt.org/development/AROS-20201110-DC2-any-i386-contrib.tar.bz2

Change log:
Code: [Select]
AROS ABIv0 20201110-D14 changes:

  Functionalities:
    Display free video memory in SysMon where supported (Kalamatee)
    Initial work on supporting 3D acceleration in VMWare video driver (Kalamatee)
    Implemented network driver for certain nVidia chipsets (Neil)
    Initial work on scsi.device (Kalamatee)
    Signal CxObject support implemented (Hakan Thorngren)
    Support PUBSCREEN argument in Prefs/Appearance, BoingIconBar (Kalamatee)
    Support PUBSCREEN argument in Tools/Clock and multiple Prefs applications (Hakan Thorngren)
    Support PUBSCREEN variable support in intuition.library (o1i)
    Improvements to rendering screen and window title bars (Kalamatee)
    Allow video drivers to report display change (Kalamatee)
    Prefs/IControl works better on low-resolution screens (Kalamatee)
    Set overscan based on information coming from driver (Kalamatee)
    Prefs/ScreenMode display more information about video modes (Kalamatee)
    Prefs/Palette reworked to be more compatible with Intuition (Kalamatee)
    Muimaster.library and built-in classes have been localized (Matthias Rustler)
    Initial work on supporting long filenames in afs-handler (Kalamatee)
    Palette preferences are now loaded into Intuition (Kalamatee)
    Implemented SetMem, Strlcat, Strlcpy in utility.library (Kalamatee)
    Implemented VSNPritnf in utility.library (Matthias Rustler)
    AmigaPL font collection added (wawa)
    Implemented GetKey, AddKBInt, RemKBInt, ElapsedTime in lowlevel.library (Kalamatee)
    Part of functionality of SystemControlA in lowlevel.library available (Kalamatee)
-------------
    Additional font collections added (Kalamatee)
    Initial implementation of GetSegListInfo in dos.library (Kalamatee)
    Allow loading AmigaOS-style hunk keymaps and fonts on AROS (Kalamatee)
    Implemented AssignAddToList in dos.library (Kalamatee)
    Implemented v45 datatypes.library functions (Kalamatee)
    Introduced webp.datatype (Kalamatee)
    Introduced ClockSource subsystem in Kernel (Kalamatee)
    Improvements to file system handling in Wanderer (Bo Kopperud)
    Public SDK not longer exposes internal AROS headers & libraries (deadwood)

  64-bit support:
    Application.mui (functional fixes) (deadwood)
    gif.datatype (stability fixes) (Kalamatee)
    hdaudio.audio (functional fixes) (Kalamatee)
-------------
    datatypes.library (stability fixes) (Kalamatee)
    dos.library (support R_X86_64_PC64 relocation) (Kalamatee)
    AHI, NList.mcc (functional fixes) (deadwood)
    C library (vfork) (deadwood)
    xadmaster.library (functional fixes) (Matthias Rustler)

  68k support:
    Major extensions to amigavideo.hidd (Kalamatee, Toni Wilen)
    Kernel (Kalamatee, Michal Schulz)
    Detect ROM sizes and CPU types (Kalamatee, Hakan Thorngren)
    Initial work on wd33c93 SCSI support (Kalamatee)
    Decrease sizes of ROM and boot floppy (Kalamatee)
    Improve speed of line drawing in p96gfx.hidd (Hakan Thorngren)
    Kernel Vampire support (Kalamatee)
    Fix loading and saving Wanderer global.prefs (Bo Kopperud)
    Work on screen compositing in amigavideo.hidd (Kalamatee)
    Separate preferences set for classic look & feel (Kalamatee, wawa)
    Support user copper lists (Kalamatee)
    Fixed CapsLock support in keyboard driver (Kalamatee)
    Speed improved in Gayle ata driver (Michal Schulz)
    Introduction of SAGA video driver (Michal Schulz)
    Flexcat (support AmigaPL and amiga1251 encodings) (Kalamatee)
    Decrease use of C library functions in ROM code (Kalamatee)
    Improve CLUT bitmap handling in p96gfx.hidd (Kalamatee)
    Kernel AMMX support (Michal Schulz)
    Fix in dos.library HUNK format support (Michal Schulz)
    Binary compatibility fix in timer.device relating to A0 (Michal Schulz)
-------------

  ARM support:
    BetterString.mcc fixes (Michal Schulz)
-------------
    Add support in build system for ARM BE target (Kalamatee)

  Updates:
    AROS build system (Kalamatee, deadwood, Michal Schulz, Matthias Rustler)
    Polish catalogs for SysExplorer, SysMon, muimaster.library (wawa)
    BetterString.mcc v11.33 (wawa)
    Documentation (o1i, Matthias Rustler, Kalamatee)
    Italian catalog for BoingIconBar (Paolo Besser)
    Norwegian catalogs for large number of programs in AROS (Bo Kopperud)
    Prefs/Wanderer (Kalamatee)
    VPDF (wawa)
    ShowConfig (Kalamatee)
    pfs3-handler (wawa)
    bmp.datatype (Handle 1,2,4 bpp bitmaps) (Miker, Kalamatee)
    Prefs/Palette, SysExplorer and muimaster.library German catalogs (Matthias Rustler)
    Re-encode most of catalog files to fixed used characters (Kalamatee)
    InstallAROS (Kalamatee)
    C:Mount, C:Assign (Kalamatee)
    grub 2.04 (Kalamatee)
-------------
    C library (interfaces for 64-bit file system functions) (Kalamatee)
    animation.datatype (Kalamatee)
    acpia.library 20200214 (Kalamatee)
    alsa.audio (deadwood)
    ata.device (Kalamatee)
    DTConverter (Kalamatee)
    icu4c 61.1 (Kalamatee)
   

  Functional fixes:
    Prefs/ScreenMode (Kalamatee)
    autoinit (bugs: #40) (deadwood)
    hostgl.library (make it work with newer 64-bit hosts) (deadwood)
    Workaround for GF8xxx+ cards not working with AROS (Kalamatee, deadwood)
    posixc.library (Kalamatee)
    amigaguide.datatype (bugs: initial rendering no always working) (Hakan Thorngren)
    intuition.library (bugs: screen can be dragged down lower than bar) (Kalamatee)
    Intuition.library (bugs: trying to show shutdown screen when no driver) (Kalamatee)
    Prefs/Printer (Kalamatee)
    DiskInfo (bugs: damaged window title) (Matthias Rustler)
    Palette.mui (bugs: wrong values retured by Entries and Names attributes) (Kalamatee)
    Shell (Michal Schulz, deadwood)
    picture.datatype (bugs: wrong values returned for certain attributes, wrong color remapping) (Kalamatee, Miker)
    gif.datatype (bugs: wrong saving of gifs) (Kalamatee)
    console.device (bugs: wrong pens used) (Kalamatee)
    afs-handler (Kalamatee)
-------------
    Prefs/Pointer (Kalamatee)
    png.datatype (bugs: handling of palettized pngs with alpha) (Kalamatee)
    C library (fseek) (Kalamatee)
    layer.library (bugs: Wrong offset in ScrollLayer) (Bo Kopperud)
    bmp.datatype (bugs: Wrong loading of 16bit BMPs, padding bytes) (Kalamatee)
    cybergraphics.library (Kalamatee)
    Wanderer (multiline label support, window titles) (Kalamatee, Bo Kopperud)
    Commodities/FKey (Kalamatee)
    fat-handler (David Gilmore)
    Slider.mui (bugs: display walue was overwritten) (deadwood)
    DOpus (bugs: trashing config) (Kalamatee)

  Stability fixes:
    graphics.library (bugs: boot driver not unregistered correctly) (deadwood)
    mesa3dgl.library (bugs: crash in shader program compiler) (deadwood)
    Prefs/Palette (bugs: memory overwrite) (Kalamatee)
    SysExplorer (bugs: use of uninitialized object) (Matthias Rustler)
    x11gfx.hidd (bugs: wrong memory free) (Matthias Rustler)
-------------
    dos.library (bugs: memory overwrite) (Matthias Rustler)
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on January 24, 2023, 09:51:29 AM
Ok thanks deadwood, I will remove all the Development folder and install the one from the new contributed ISO

Regarding the CD eject, EJect works very well, in laptops it also opens the DVD drive compartment and ejects CDs/DVDs even the Audio ones, what would be the problem encountered?

It would have been very convenient to add the Eject comado in the Icon menu like on Windows
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on January 24, 2023, 11:55:42 AM
deadwood, the contrib.tar.bz2 archive includes a corruption, the folder "icu" path (AROS/Development/lib/icu) cannot be extracted, error file with same name, tried 7Zip and WinRAR, on AROS it is not easy to unpack these archives, why not use in ZIP or RAR ?

Question, in contrib third party software is always the same, has something been updated ? I ask this not to check one by one all software, thanks
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: deadwood on January 24, 2023, 12:25:45 PM
I re-uploaded fixed archive.

With regards to what has changed, I listed major elements for contrib also in change log. For details you can start with this page:

https://github.com/deadw00d/contrib/commits/master?after=17ffc814b81aa365c7ba6ce33b23f5903247805c+139&branch=master&qualified_name=refs%2Fheads%2Fmaster

and go "Older" until March 2019.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: Amiwell on January 24, 2023, 12:45:16 PM
thank you Deadwood!
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on January 24, 2023, 01:05:53 PM
Deadwood, ok no problem with WinRAR, 7zip on the other hand still can't unzip, unexpected error

In the Bin folder there is a file 0 Byte (flex++)
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: paolone on January 24, 2023, 02:07:56 PM

Additionally, for distribution maintainers: Please note that there were several header (.h) and library files (.a) removed from  Development:include and Development:lib. This was done on purpose. Please also remove them from your distributions. Best approach would be to delete your Development: and re-create it based on what's on the ISO + what's in contrib archive.



Thank Deadwood. Is it possible to get a list of removed .a and .h files? Unluckily Icaros' development stuff is not made only of the files included in ISO files and contrib, but there are dozens of other 3rd party libraries included and it would be a hell of a nightmare to recover all of them.


thank you so much.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: Amiwell on January 24, 2023, 02:37:29 PM
there is a problem with the icons ???
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: Amiwell on January 24, 2023, 02:40:00 PM
ah ok the problem was already mentioned sorry :-[
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on January 24, 2023, 03:43:13 PM
Deadwood, on WMware with VESA resolution the Screenmode works fine, even the 32Bit Pointer shows fine.

Instead with SVGA resolution the Scrennmode as also mentioned by you goes into Guru, and the Pointer has the usual flaw.

EDIT:

For the DualPNG icons it seems to be just a problem on the "png.datatype", I replaced it with the one from Build D10 and now they show up fine !
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: miker1264 on January 24, 2023, 05:36:47 PM


For the DualPNG icons it seems to be just a problem on the "png.datatype", I replaced it with qthat from Build D10 and now they show up fine !

It's that pesky PNG datatype again!  ;)

Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: ncafferkey on January 24, 2023, 06:50:11 PM
@deadwood Thanks for the new ISO. I've tested it without finding any new problems.

Will the USB mass storage regression be addressed? I.e. delays in recognising flash drives or not recognising them at all.

Also, ACPI reboot? I know this could be tricky if some machines or VMs have always behaved badly with ACPI reboot/shutdown (although I don't think this is known definitively yet), but it could become a common complaint (e.g. from new AROS users), especially if popular VMs like VMWare have this problem.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: deadwood on January 25, 2023, 12:01:14 AM
@deadwood Thanks for the new ISO. I've tested it without finding any new problems.
Thx

Will the USB mass storage regression be addressed? I.e. delays in recognising flash drives or not recognising them at all.
I think I missed that report. With which ISO did it happen?

Also, ACPI reboot? I know this could be tricky if some machines or VMs have always behaved badly with ACPI reboot/shutdown (although I don't think this is known definitively yet), but it could become a common complaint (e.g. from new AROS users), especially if popular VMs like VMWare have this problem.

That's tricky. From what I remember it keeps flip-flopping for different people for different hardware. I'll at least try to look at it for VMs.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: deadwood on January 25, 2023, 12:12:25 AM
@paolone

Here are some of the changes. There are more - best if you take the 20190416 ISO and compare the Development/include and Development/lib with D14 ISO.

Code: [Select]
lib/libwebpdsp.a
lib/libwebpdecode.a
lib/libwebpencode.a
lib/libgsm.a
lib/libwebputils.a
include/aros/build.h
include/aros/config.h
lib/libdiskimagesupport.a
lib/libdiskimageprefs.a
include/defines/sysexp.h
include/defines/ata.h
include/defines/ahci.h
include/defines/storage.h
include/inline/sysexp.h
include/inline/ata.h
include/inline/ahci.h
include/inline/storage.h
include/clib/sysexp_protos.h
include/clib/ata_protos.h
include/clib/ahci_protos.h
include/clib/storage_protos.h
include/sysexp_libdefs.h
include/proto/sysexp.h
include/proto/ata.h
include/proto/ahci.h
include/proto/storage.h
fd/ahci_lib.fd
fd/storage_lib.fd
fd/ata_lib.fd
lib/libahci.a
lib/libstorage.a
lib/libata.a
lib/libgraph.a
lib/libathhal.a
include/gallium <-- whole directory
include/defines/gallium.h
include/inline/gallium.h
include/clib/gallium_protos.h
include/proto/gallium.h
fd/gallium_lib.fd
lib/libgalliumauxiliary.a
lib/libgallium.a
lib/libgallium_i915.a
include/aros/types/spinlock_s.h
include/aros/kernel.h
include/oop/static_mid.h
include/oop/oop.h
include/oop/ifmeta.h
include/interface/Hidd_SCSIUnit.h
include/interface/Hidd_StorageController.h
include/interface/Hidd_Overlay.h
include/interface/Hidd_PCIDevice.h
include/interface/HW.h
include/interface/Hidd_Sync.h
include/interface/Hidd_Storage.h
include/interface/Hidd_SCSIBus.h
include/interface/Hidd_StorageBus.h
include/interface/Hidd_ColorMap.h
include/interface/Hidd_PCIDriver.h
include/interface/Hidd_ChunkyBM.h
include/interface/Hidd_StorageUnit.h
include/interface/Hidd_ATABus.h
include/interface/Hidd_ATAUnit.h
include/interface/Hidd.h
include/interface/Hidd_BitMap.h
include/interface/Hidd_UnixIO.h
include/interface/Hidd_AHCI.h
include/interface/Hidd_AHCIBus.h
include/interface/Hidd_GC.h
include/interface/Hidd_PlanarBM.h
include/interface/Hidd_PCI.h
include/interface/Hidd_Gfx.h
include/interface/Hidd_AHCIUnit.h
include/interface/Hidd_PixFmt.h
include/interface/Hidd_Bus.h
include/defines/hpet.h
include/defines/oop.h
include/defines/clocksource.h
include/defines/x11gfx.h
include/defines/task.h
include/defines/hostlib.h
include/defines/ata.h
include/defines/scsi.h
include/defines/kernel.h
include/defines/lddemon.h
include/resources/pit.h
include/resources/hpet.h
include/resources/clocksource.h
include/resources/task.h
include/resources/lddemon.h
include/inline/hpet.h
include/inline/oop.h
include/inline/clocksource.h
include/inline/x11gfx.h
include/inline/task.h
include/inline/hostlib.h
include/inline/ata.h
include/inline/scsi.h
include/inline/kernel.h
include/inline/lddemon.h
include/clib/lddemon_protos.h
include/clib/ata_protos.h
include/clib/x11gfx_protos.h
include/clib/oop_protos.h
include/clib/hpet_protos.h
include/clib/clocksource_protos.h
include/clib/scsi_protos.h
include/clib/task_protos.h
include/clib/kernel_protos.h
include/clib/hostlib_protos.h
include/proto/hpet.h
include/proto/oop.h
include/proto/clocksource.h
include/proto/x11gfx.h
include/proto/task.h
include/proto/hostlib.h
include/proto/ata.h
include/proto/scsi.h
include/proto/kernel.h
include/proto/lddemon.h
include/hidd/agp.h
include/hidd/hidd.h
include/hidd/serial.h
include/hidd/unixio.h
include/hidd/bus.h
include/hidd/parallel.h
include/hidd/pci.h
include/hidd/acpibutton.h
include/hidd/mouse.h
include/hidd/ata.h
include/hidd/gallium.h
include/hidd/system.h
include/hidd/i2c.h
include/hidd/ahci.h
include/hidd/scsi.h
include/hidd/config.h
include/hidd/storage.h
include/hidd/keyboard.h
include/hidd/gfx.h
include/hidd/compositor.h
fd/hostlib_lib.fd
fd/lddemon_lib.fd
fd/pci_lib.fd
fd/keyboard_lib.fd
fd/scsi_lib.fd
fd/ahci_lib.fd
fd/storage_lib.fd
fd/hpet_lib.fd
fd/kernel_lib.fd
fd/mouse_lib.fd
fd/ata_lib.fd
fd/task_lib.fd
fd/oop_lib.fd
fd/hiddclass_lib.fd
fd/i2c_lib.fd
fd/x11gfx_lib.fd
fd/gallium_lib.fd
fd/gfx_lib.fd
fd/unixio_lib.fd
fd/bus_lib.fd
lib/libalsa-bridge.a
lib/libhiddstubs.a
lib/libinstrfunc.a
lib/liboop.a
lib/liboop_rel.a
lib/libdebug_rel.a
lib/libstdcio_rel.a
lib/libstdc_rel.a
lib/libexec_rel.a
lib/libexpat_rel.a
lib/libautoinit_rel.a
lib/libutility_rel.a
lib/libarosc_rel.a
lib/libGL_rel.a
lib/libpng_rel.a
lib/libposixc_rel.a
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: paolone on January 25, 2023, 01:37:33 AM
Thanks, I will follow both hints.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on January 25, 2023, 05:57:32 AM
deadwood, with D14 "Amistart" does not work
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20200413 Development
Post by: ncafferkey on January 25, 2023, 08:24:21 AM
Deadwood, below is my post about the USB mass storage regressions.

Tests with D4:

Acer AspireOne:
 - Boots, but there's a delay in seeing the USB stick (the boot media screen appears briefly). This didn't happen in 2016-12-28; but happens with 2017-04-02 and later. I tried two completely different sticks.
 - My previous reported failures on this machine were due to attempts to fall back to booting from incompatible builds on the SSD (as discussed regarding the EeePC 700).

EeePC 700:
 - Still doesn't see the USB stick. A USB mouse plugged in at boot media screen works for moving the pointer around that screen. Replugging the stick at the boot media screen (either directly or through a USB 1.1 hub) doesn't work.
 - "noacpi noioapic" tried.
 - Two stick types tried.

PCI-E nVidia graphics:
 - Native and 3D graphics work fine.

Toshiba NB550D:
 - Boots (VESA, no driver for native graphics).
 - ACPI reboot is broken: Ctrl-Alt-Del clears the screen and hangs; Wanderer's reboot option and shell command "reboot cold" powers off the machine!
 - The following warning appears during boot: "ACPI BIOS Warning (bug): Optional FADT field Pm2ControlBlock has zero address or length..."
 - Reboot works properly in 2017-04-02, but I don't know if ACPI or legacy reboot was used at that time. Broken on 2019-04-13. 2018 not tried.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: deadwood on January 25, 2023, 10:14:25 AM
@ncafferkey

If I can reproduce these USB problems on hardware I have, there is a change they will be fixed. Can you tell me what kind of USB 1.1 these are? OHCI or UHCI?
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: deadwood on January 25, 2023, 10:18:54 AM
@AMIGASYSTEM

Contrib archive update, please try now.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on January 25, 2023, 10:41:51 AM
Thanks Contrib now everything is unpacked and correctly.

I integrated D14 on AROS One, provisionally just to be able to work, I replaced the "png.datatypes" with that of D10 to display DualPNG Icons correctly, then I anco replaced "Screenmode" with that of D7.

I couldn't figure out why Amistart doesn't work, I think it's something about some important library

I forgot, now with D14 on Wanderer you can move files and delete "orphan" icons of files and folders

I modified the Descriptor of webp.datatype, now "webp" image files will be recognized even without extension.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: ncafferkey on January 25, 2023, 02:24:46 PM
@ncafferkey

If I can reproduce these USB problems on hardware I have, there is a change they will be fixed. Can you tell me what kind of USB 1.1 these are? OHCI or UHCI?

They are both Intel EHCI/UHCI. The one that doesn't recognise drives at all has an ICH6 chipset, while the one that just has a delay in seeing drives is ICH7M.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on January 25, 2023, 03:04:28 PM
ncafferkey, I don't know if I understood correctly, on my AROS One z5 I don't have this problem, after the black screen Wnderer starts, without appearing "cat eyes".

Maybe otre could depend that I have the internal SD "dead", or by type of Pendrive, i used one 4GB and one 8GB

Tested D4, D7 and D10, the second Pendrive inserted on Wandere also appears quickly, and is quickly ejected
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: cavemann on January 25, 2023, 03:52:00 PM
I'm still having problems with a division by zero error in screenmode when I go native with my nvidia 9500.
Also my nvidia 8400 is recognized  as  vga 4-bit. I945 boots normal.  Any suggestions? Do have to replace
screenmode?
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: ncafferkey on January 25, 2023, 04:21:02 PM
ncafferkey, I don't know if I understood correctly, on my AROS One z5 I don't have this problem, after the black screen Wnderer starts, without appearing "cat eyes".

Maybe otre could depend that I have the internal SD "dead", or by type of Pendrive, i used one 4GB and one 8GB

Tested D4, D7 and D10, the second Pendrive inserted on Wandere also appears quickly, and is quickly ejected

I did try two different types of USB stick, in case that was the problem. Just now I also wrote the 2019-01-21 ABIv0 nightly build to the same stick I've been using for Deadwood's recent builds, and the problem went away, so I don't think the model of stick I'm using is the problem.

Could you try with the option ATA=nopci,nolegacy? I need to use that option to avoid booting from my SSD.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on January 25, 2023, 04:59:28 PM
I did the test with Acer One z5, D14 and the option ATA=nopci,nolegacy

- Native mode, cat eyes appear and then wanderer starts up
- VESA mode, it starts wanderer directly
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: ncafferkey on January 25, 2023, 05:04:23 PM
I did the test with Acer One z5, D14 and the option ATA=nopci,nolegacy

- Native mode, cat eyes appear and then wanderer starts up
- VESA mode, it starts wanderer directly

Thanks, very interesting. Maybe without that option AROS is kept busy poking around at your broken SSD and by the time it gives up, the USB stick is visible.

I don't know why the graphics driver would make a difference though. If you have time, could you try these tests three times each to see if the behaviour is consistent?
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on January 25, 2023, 05:31:33 PM
Tried several times, on all 3 USB ports, and the result does not change, cat's eyes appear only in native mode.

I assume with VESA it doesn't happen because I don't have to search or initialize the Video Card.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on January 25, 2023, 05:43:15 PM
Discovered something interesting, in default "multiboot /Arch/pc/bootstrap.gz ATA=32bit", if a Wireless USB Mouse and also connected on ACER One z5, the cat eyes appear both n native and VESA mode.

On your Acer is anything else connected on a USB port ?
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: deadwood on January 26, 2023, 12:11:26 AM
I'm still having problems with a division by zero error in screenmode when I go native with my nvidia 9500.
Also my nvidia 8400 is recognized  as  vga 4-bit. I945 boots normal.  Any suggestions? Do have to replace
screenmode?

Prefs/ScreenMode will be fixed in one of next builds.

You nVidia card: did it work with the reference release or any previous Dx builds?
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: paolone on January 26, 2023, 02:12:31 AM
Also, ACPI reboot? I know this could be tricky if some machines or VMs have always behaved badly with ACPI reboot/shutdown (although I don't think this is known definitively yet), but it could become a common complaint (e.g. from new AROS users), especially if popular VMs like VMWare have this problem.


While the ACPI reboot issue is being fixed, wouldn't be possible to turn back to "traditional" reset routine for cold reboot? Unless there are some filesystem related safety reasons involved, at least it worked fine.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: deadwood on January 26, 2023, 02:42:44 AM
Also, ACPI reboot? I know this could be tricky if some machines or VMs have always behaved badly with ACPI reboot/shutdown (although I don't think this is known definitively yet), but it could become a common complaint (e.g. from new AROS users), especially if popular VMs like VMWare have this problem.


While the ACPI reboot issue is being fixed, wouldn't be possible to turn back to "traditional" reset routine for cold reboot? Unless there are some filesystem related safety reasons involved, at least it worked fine.

When I understand how these things work, I might be able to suggest a workaround. For the time being the only thing that comes to my mind is trying how things work with 'noacpi' boot parameter.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: ncafferkey on January 26, 2023, 03:46:18 AM
Discovered something interesting, in default "multiboot /Arch/pc/bootstrap.gz ATA=32bit", if a Wireless USB Mouse and also connected on ACER One z5, the cat eyes appear both n native and VESA mode.

On your Acer is anything else connected on a USB port ?

No external devices, but I think the built-in webcam is on USB. I sometimes get messages after boot has completed about the webcam being disconnected, so the connection may be intermittent.

Does your webcam appear in the device list in Trident?
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on January 26, 2023, 04:00:19 AM
Yes Trident sees the WebCam, see screenshot, I however have never had any messages, of course I only use AROS on PenDrive or External USB Hardisk.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: cavemann on January 26, 2023, 01:05:28 PM
I'm still having problems with a division by zero error in screenmode when I go native with my nvidia 9500.
Also my nvidia 8400 is recognized  as  vga 4-bit. I945 boots normal.  Any suggestions? Do have to replace
screenmode?

Prefs/ScreenMode will be fixed in one of next builds.

You nVidia card: did it work with the reference release or any previous Dx builds?

gforce9500 worked with D7'
gforce8400 boots as vga for some reason, (used to run very good years ago)
.
thanx
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: cavemann on January 27, 2023, 04:06:29 PM
Oops, sorry deadwood, I grabbed the wrong video card. geforce8400 tests ok. My mistake. nvidia8400 is fine here.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: deadwood on January 28, 2023, 12:28:23 AM
Glad to hear that :)
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: Amiwell on January 28, 2023, 05:59:47 AM
i have a nvidia quadro nvs 295 works fine also with doom 3
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: ncafferkey on January 28, 2023, 11:03:09 AM
I found a regression with the stopnet script, which goes back to the 2016 build previously posted. After a delay of a few seconds, it gives an error about Rexx.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: deadwood on January 31, 2023, 05:30:18 AM
@ncafferkey

It looks like RX  command in stopnet needs RexxMast command which comes from contrib. Looking at history, AROSTCP was moved from contrib to core in 2009, but if I remember correctly ISOs build on nighly servers (original ABIv0) were containing contrib so I assume that's why it worked before my release.

The solution is to install contrib or at least C:RexxMast and probably LIBS:regina.library

Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on January 31, 2023, 06:07:49 AM
RexxMast if present is started from the Startup-sequence, i always had RexxMast in the C folder, and regina.library if I remember correctly on AROS One some third party application uses it.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: ncafferkey on January 31, 2023, 06:09:54 PM
Thanks Deadwood. I copied both files from an old ABIv0 nightly and it solved the problem. I can confirm that regina.library is definitely needed as well.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: deadwood on February 03, 2023, 05:42:22 AM
@AMIGASYSTEM

I'm currently trying to debug regression with Tipografia software, however since this is a Hollywood application, it is quite hard to do so. Two requests:

1) Do you have contact to the author? Can you ask him for a debug version or one that does not have debugging symbols stripped?
2) Where can I download AROS One 1.2 from? None of my "old" ABIv0 release are good for Tipografia.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on February 03, 2023, 06:41:13 AM
Regarding the Typography software, I am in contact with the developer, according to him the problem could be the new Fonts management of AROS, then since I had also reported to him the too big "not adjustable" GUI, he said he is developing a new improved version.

Here is the link to download AEROS One v1.2 (the one miker uses for his tests), it is one of my first versions of AROS One, I usually disable the old versions by AROS One, to force users to always download the latest version so they always have an up-to-date system.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1JRGqjSqaoJmaEJNaf2aBZgvNBogpGdkx/view?usp=share_link
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: deadwood on February 03, 2023, 09:53:52 AM
@AMIGASYSTEM

FYI, there is even with AROS One 1.2 a crash when trying to re-size the image, see attached.

This is visible under Linux-hosted version, might not be visible under native.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on February 03, 2023, 10:29:04 AM
No I don't have any Crash on WMvare, as you can see from the screenshot I also added 2 Strings with different Fonts, tried several times and never had a crash.

If in the Typography folder, you have Hollywood Libraries, delete them, AROS One 1.2 already has all Holliwood Libraries installed, they are older but usually more compatible with Hollywood Apps created for AROS.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20200413 Development
Post by: deadwood on February 04, 2023, 02:02:08 AM
BTW, I would have identified the real problem sooner, except that the boot option ATA=off no longer works. Luckily, as a last-minute check, I tried the equivalent but less convenient ATA=nopci,nolegacy to disable ATA. Can this be looked at as well?

I looked into ata.device and the option that turns it off is "ATA=disable". The same option is also also used for SCSI and AHCI, so it is consistent. I looked through history and could not locate the moment where option "off" was available, so I will leave it as it is for now.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20200413 Development
Post by: ncafferkey on February 04, 2023, 12:12:47 PM
BTW, I would have identified the real problem sooner, except that the boot option ATA=off no longer works. Luckily, as a last-minute check, I tried the equivalent but less convenient ATA=nopci,nolegacy to disable ATA. Can this be looked at as well?

I looked into ata.device and the option that turns it off is "ATA=disable". The same option is also also used for SCSI and AHCI, so it is consistent. I looked through history and could not locate the moment where option "off" was available, so I will leave it as it is for now.

Thanks for looking into it Deadwood. That sounds good as it is then. I could see the case for not having any off/disable option too, at least in your branches where individual modules can be removed from the GRUB config, but if the code's already there for the option and it's consistent betwen disk drivers, it's a "nice to have"  :)
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20200413 Development
Post by: terminills on February 05, 2023, 06:19:06 AM
BTW, I would have identified the real problem sooner, except that the boot option ATA=off no longer works. Luckily, as a last-minute check, I tried the equivalent but less convenient ATA=nopci,nolegacy to disable ATA. Can this be looked at as well?

I looked into ata.device and the option that turns it off is "ATA=disable". The same option is also also used for SCSI and AHCI, so it is consistent. I looked through history and could not locate the moment where option "off" was available, so I will leave it as it is for now.


Neil implemented the =off option in 2014

https://github.com/aros-development-team/AROS/commit/a83c1723feaf06761986fb29f3cc687477fb0dfc

Nick Changed it to disable  in 2018.

https://github.com/aros-development-team/AROS/commit/ff3f2161f47288b3a1beef80cd1907f39d8d0bcc
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: deadwood on February 05, 2023, 07:39:28 AM
@terminills

Ah so it was in pciata.hidd. Didn't check that one. Thanks for clarification :)
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: deadwood on February 05, 2023, 10:19:06 AM
@AMIGASYSTEM

Do you know of any other Hollywood application that is available which uses RapaGUI plugin and has string fields which can be edited (like the text example you've shown). It seems I get a crash each time I press enter in the string gadget.

The tests you've shown from VMWare - are they with base system from D14?
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: deadwood on February 05, 2023, 10:27:05 AM
FYI an update on the release: I fixed most of open issues, but I'm stuck with the Tipografia/RapaGUI/muimaster.library regression. I'm planning to make a release build once I figure out this last problem.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on February 05, 2023, 11:54:04 AM
@AMIGASYSTEM

Do you know of any other Hollywood application that is available which uses RapaGUI plugin and has string fields which can be edited (like the text example you've shown). It seems I get a crash each time I press enter in the string gadget.

I enclose an archive with some applications using RapaGUI, so that you can test possible variants as well, some may require the older RapaGUI library, you can find it on AROS one 1.2

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1IcM0oXnrMLLoIQnbSdaqiinUH81cDqhh/view?usp=share_link

Quote
The tests you've shown from VMWare - are they with base system from D14?

With VMware on Typography you can enter text with any Build including D14 (there is only the Frame problem and the large GUI), see screenshot
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: deadwood on February 05, 2023, 05:08:14 PM
@AMIGASYSTEM

On that test on VMWare did you press ENTER each time you typed the string, or typed the string and then clicked in next text box to type another one?
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on February 06, 2023, 01:53:50 AM
Yes I gave the submit, also because if you don't give the submit the text doesn't appear !

I can make you a video if needed !

Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: deadwood on February 06, 2023, 01:59:42 AM
Thanks, no need for a video. I now tested on native and indeed it does not crash.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on February 06, 2023, 02:01:16 AM
Also on Real PC "Aspire One z5 you can write without having problems.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: paolone on February 06, 2023, 12:40:22 PM
I have a question about Prefs/Network and OLD smb filesystem.


Where does it save data for SMB shares? I can't remove shares once I have created them. I have once saved a share and no matter how many times I clicked on the REMOVE button, it disappeared form the application list just to respawn exactli where it was when I reset the PC. I have tried looking into AROSTCP files and in ENVARC: with no luck at all.


I don't know if this happens in D7 only, but I am confident it's still happening with D14 and probably it also happened before. Problem is that I have no PC that can create old SMBv1 shares, so any share I add with Prefs/network will not work. I wonder why I can't delete shares.



Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: deadwood on February 06, 2023, 12:56:13 PM
Looking at the source codes, the per-mount files are written to ENV:SMB or SYS:Storage/DOSDrivers. There is also additional file ENV:AROSTCP/ServerAutoMounts which says which mounts to mount.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on February 06, 2023, 03:43:16 PM
I have a question about Prefs/Network and OLD smb filesystem.

Where does it save data for SMB shares? I can't remove shares once I have created them. I have once saved a share and no matter how many times I clicked on the REMOVE button, it disappeared form the application list just to respawn exactli where it was when I reset the PC. I have tried looking into AROSTCP files and in ENVARC: with no luck at all.


Paolo "Network Prefs" after you have configured a share generates a DOSDrivers it is named "SMB0"which includes the setting, and at each reboot it is Mounted, that's why you find it, it's probably a Bug, you can still delete the DOSDriver by hand, is located in Storage/DOSDrivers, the file "ServerAutoMounts", in ENV:AROSTCP which indicates the DOSDriver to be mounted, should also be deleted

----- Italiano -----

Paolo "Network Prefs" dopo che hai configurato una condivisione genera un DOSDrivers si nome "SMB0" che include il settaggio, e ad ogni riavvio viene Montato, ecco perchè te lo ritrovi, probabilmente è un Bug, puoi comunque eliminare il DOSDriver a mano, si trova in Storage/DOSDrivers, va anche eliminato il file "ServerAutoMounts" in ENV:AROSTCP che indica il DOSDriver da montare
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: paolone on February 07, 2023, 08:44:22 AM
I have a question about Prefs/Network and OLD smb filesystem.

Where does it save data for SMB shares? I can't remove shares once I have created them. I have once saved a share and no matter how many times I clicked on the REMOVE button, it disappeared form the application list just to respawn exactli where it was when I reset the PC. I have tried looking into AROSTCP files and in ENVARC: with no luck at all.


Paolo "Network Prefs" after you have configured a share generates a DOSDrivers it is named "SMB0"which includes the setting, and at each reboot it is Mounted, that's why you find it, it's probably a Bug, you can still delete the DOSDriver by hand, is located in Storage/DOSDrivers, the file "ServerAutoMounts", in ENV:AROSTCP which indicates the DOSDriver to be mounted, should also be deleted


Thanks Amigasystem and Deadwood. I supposed Prefs/Network would have been able to delete the entries as well, after creating them. I hadn't noticed the smb0 device in DOSdrivers, otherwise I'd had removed it.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on February 07, 2023, 01:30:38 PM
@deadwood

As mentioned in This (https://ae.amigalife.org/index.php?topic=1065.30)  thred ,"Mounted Share" with Network Preferences works, but to get it you have to run the DOSDrivers with some delay, the time for AROS to connect to the network.

I also noticed that "smb-handler" installed on AROS x86 does not support the Network Filesystem well, if you look at the attached Screenshot, you will notice that:

SMB2 (smb2-handler) -> correctly displays the share, and uses the "Disk.info" file in the share as the Volume icon

SMB0 (AROS build) -> does not properly display the file present in the share (name truncated), and does not properly display the volume (Directory not available)


Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: deadwood on February 07, 2023, 01:35:38 PM
@AMIGASYSTEM

Ok, since there is a working replacement I think we should use it instead of what is in the build.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: deadwood on February 07, 2023, 01:37:54 PM
Release-candidate of 20201110 is now available. If no major problems are found, I will make it an official release in a couple of days:

https://axrt.org/download/aros/v0/AROS-20201110-1-any-i386-contrib.tar.bz2
https://axrt.org/download/aros/v0/AROS-20201110-1-linux-i386-system.tar.bz2
https://axrt.org/download/aros/v0/AROS-20201110-1-mingw32-i386-system.tar.bz2
https://axrt.org/download/aros/v0/AROS-20201110-1-pc-i386-boot-iso.zip

Fixed:
  - Dual-PNG icons are not working (SYS:Classes/DataTypes/png.datatype)
  - C++ programs cannot be linked (SYS:Libs/arosc.library, Development:lib/libarosc.a)
  - Sys:Utilities/Help -> About crash (SYS:Utilities/MultiView)
  - possible binary incompatibility with functions taking RAWARG (false alarm, not an issue)
  - regression in GCC tests (Development:include/aros/types/ino_t.h (*))
  - RNOTunes - not working buttons (false alarm, not an issue)
  - AmiStart does not work (SYS:Libs/intuition.library)
  - Prefs/ScreenMode crash (SYS:Prefs/ScreenMode)
  - ATA=off switch (use ATA=disable)
  - Insert/Eject CD does not mount/unmount volumes (SYS:Devs/ata.device, SYS:Devs/Drivers/ata_pci.hidd)
  - Moved Sashimi to SYS:Tools/Debug
  - Moved PCITool and ACPITool to SYS:Tools/Hardware
  - Crash while entering strings in RapaGUI applications (SYS:Libs/muimaster.library)
  - datatypes crash processing wookiechat_logo.gif (SYS:Devs/DataTypes/.GIFAnim.i386)
  - bad font colors in Aquario screen saver (SYS:Classes/DataTypes/png.datatype)
  - ascii datatypes not recognized (SYS:Libs/datatypes.library)

(*) This problem can have impact on some programs compiled in DC2 contrib archive. These programs can't be
easily located. Please update your installation with new contrib archive. Also be sure to update all
Development:lib.

Open topics:
  - kernel needs IOAPIC disabled for nVidia PCI-E cards to work
  - ACPI Reboot/Shutdown on VMs
  - Acer Aspire One / Eepc USB problems
  - https://github.com/deadw00d/AROS/issues/86
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on February 07, 2023, 01:47:16 PM

Ok, since there is a working replacement I think we should use it instead of what is in the build.

Yes but it would be a good idea to integrate SMB2 in Network Preferences or remove the Mounted SMB0, otherwise the user if using Netwrk Preferences, will create conflicts not easy to solve if you are not experienced.

I have tried to replace rename, the Handlers, but there is no compatibility between the mode of use between SMB2 and SMB0

Thank you for the candidate of 20201110, as soon as possible I will do some tests of the Build and then I will upgrade AROS One !
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: miker1264 on February 07, 2023, 02:36:08 PM
@deadwood

Thank you for the updates. I would like to try the new Wanderer to see if there were changes for icons.

Previously we couldn't move, copy, rename or delete unassociated icons. On x86-64 it was a big problem causing a system crash. Hopefully the newer code fixed it.

I see from the ABIv1 repository that those changes happened about 3 years ago (11-2020). Re-implemented FS Handling in Wanderer for same volume & handling files & icons separately.

I'm adding a Tools module for Wanderer for Icon Exchange. So far I have only added the new menu item and I started the WBExchange module. The separate module makes it easier for future updates as well.

If the Icon Exchange for Wanderer works well enough maybe it can be added to the repository.



Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: Amiwell on February 07, 2023, 08:17:36 PM
ok deadwood all work fine except screenmode do not works give errors

thank you
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on February 08, 2023, 01:33:16 AM
@deadwood

To me No problem with Scrennmode, successfully tested on both Acer One z5 and VMWare

Remains boot incompatibility on PC "Dell Inspiron Mini 910" (uhci InitCode/991: Host ERROR )
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on February 08, 2023, 06:15:11 AM
Among the old reported Bugs, on Wanderer still persists the problem of renaming files from Upper case to Lowercase and vice versa, it is not oissible to replace even a single letter, usual error message "File name already exists"

No problem instead if you rename files or Directories from Upper case to Lowercase on Dopus4

Question: On Wanderer Menu Icons- > Delete, is it possible to add a function key ? for example "Del" key ?
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: deadwood on February 08, 2023, 09:25:01 AM
If the Icon Exchange for Wanderer works well enough maybe it can be added to the repository.

Sure. I believe you have write access to the repository. Once you are ready start pushing patches. It's better to iteratively add functionality rather then push all at once. Also push to master only. I will take care of back porting to alt-abiv0.

In case I didn't share these before, here are some basic rules: https://github.com/deadw00d/AROS/blob/master/CONTRIBUTING.md
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: deadwood on February 08, 2023, 09:26:22 AM
ok deadwood all work fine except screenmode do not works give errors

thank you

Which video driver are you using? Can you try if you get the same crash with VESA?
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: deadwood on February 08, 2023, 09:27:28 AM
Among the old reported Bugs, on Wanderer still persists the problem of renaming files from Upper case to Lowercase and vice versa, it is not oissible to replace even a single letter, usual error message "File name already exists"

No problem instead if you rename files or Directories from Upper case to Lowercase on Dopus4

Question: On Wanderer Menu Icons- > Delete, is it possible to add a function key ? for example "Del" key ?

I'm not doing any active development on Wanderer. If you can find a developer interested in working on it, I'm happy to help him/her get set up.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: deadwood on February 08, 2023, 09:32:32 AM
Note on open topics: If I'm able to fix them, they will be released as a patch package containing only changed components, rather then a new, full release.

Open topics:
  - kernel needs IOAPIC disabled for nVidia PCI-E cards to work
  - ACPI Reboot/Shutdown on VMs
  - Acer Aspire One / Eepc USB problems
  - https://github.com/deadw00d/AROS/issues/86
  - https://github.com/deadw00d/AROS/issues/88
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: Amiwell on February 08, 2023, 09:53:27 AM
ok deadwood all work fine except screenmode do not works give errors

thank you

Which video driver are you using? Can you try if you get the same crash with VESA?

i use nvidia quadro nvs 295, on vesa works deadwood
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: deadwood on February 08, 2023, 10:22:31 AM
@Amiwell

I'll look into this.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: Amiwell on February 08, 2023, 10:32:19 AM
ok thank you :)
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on February 08, 2023, 11:54:14 AM
@deadwood

Found a conflict between GIF and GifAnim, a little complicated to explain, but I'll try

With ABIv0 20201110, if I try to run the program "AmiGG", it does not work if GIFAnim is used in the system.

Basically if I delete the GIFAnim Descriptor, the program "AmiGG" works fine, this makes people think that "AmiGG" has a Bug, because it uses GifAnim.datatypes instead of Gif.datatypes !

Tried replacing Datatypes.library, but it does not solve

EDIT:

I found that the images used by "AmiGG" for the buttons are mixed some are Gif images others are GigAnim.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: deadwood on February 09, 2023, 12:20:48 AM
@AMIGASYSTEM

Thanks for the report. What changed with 20221110 is that GIFAnim has higher priority than GIF so that it can detect gif animations. As you mentioned some of the gif images in AmiGG are animations, so they are correctly loaded by GIFAnim. The problem is that AmiGG is probably not ready to work with animation datatype. I don't yet know what the solution should be for ABIv0. I need to think about it.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on February 09, 2023, 01:32:06 AM
On the Builds, GIFAnim datatypes does not exist, the problem on AmiGG happens even with earlier Builds.
On the Builds there is only GIF Datatypes, which in my opinion has a wrong Descriptor, basically the Buid's Descriptor recognizes GIF animations as images and therefore Multiview shows only the first frame.

Practically with Builds, but also with IcarOS GIF Animations are not supported, they are only recognized as simple GIF images.

On AROS One GIF Animations are well supported because I have created two Descriptors, one for just GIF images and one just for Animations (one Gif 87 and the other Gif 89), AROS descriptor includes both acronyms that's why it considers animations as images.

In my opinion AmiGG animated GIFs are not supported by the GIF datatypes, it works if you use the native AROS Descriptor which considers them Images.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on February 09, 2023, 01:53:08 AM
I created two small comprehensive screenshots, which shows how AROS Build or IcarOS and AROS One handle the two formats (GIF and GIF Anim)

- AROS One distinguishes the two formats separately, supports animation, assigns two different icon defs.

. AROS Build and IcarOS does not distinguish the two formats, does not handle animation, considers them two images, and assigns an equal def for the two formats
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: miker1264 on February 09, 2023, 08:02:22 AM
I created two small comprehensive screenshots, which shows how AROS Build or IcarOS and AROS One handle the two formats (GIF and GIF Anim) the

- AROS One distinguishes the two formats separately, supports animation, assigns two different icon defs.

. AROS Build and IcarOS does not distinguish the two formats, does not handle animation, considers them two images, and assigns an equal def for the two formats

Is the datatype descriptors different for AROS One?
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on February 09, 2023, 08:19:48 AM
The "GIF" descriptor in AROS Build and IcarOS includes the entire GIF family, both GIF87a and GIF89a (partically mixed acronym Images and Animations)

On AROS One x86/68k i split, I used "GIF87"  (Descriptot GIF) for Images and "GIF89"  (Descriptot GIFAnim) for Animated Gifs.

Of course, "GIF89a" is an extension of "GIF87a"

 "GIF87" Normally is used for Images.
 "GIF89" Normally is used for Animations

Multiview through the Descriptor uses the datatypes designated in the Descriptor, so even if the fils have the same extension, Multiview will be able to Show the image or animation.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: miker1264 on February 09, 2023, 08:34:12 AM
The "GIF" descriptor in AROS Build and IcarOS includes the entire GIF family, both GIF87a and GIF89a (partically mixed acronym Images and Animations)

On AROS One x86/68k i split, I used "GIF87"  (Descriptot GIF) for Images and "GIF89"  (Descriptot GIFAnim) for Animated Gifs.

Of course, "GIF89a" is an extension of "GIF87a"

 "GIF87" Normally is used for Images.
 "GIF89" Normally is used for Animations

Multiview through the Descriptor uses the datatypes designated in the Descriptor, so even if the fils have the same extension, Multiview will be able to Show the image or animation.

What happens when you copy your descriptors to Icaros?

Same result? Rename or move the current ones.

I had a similar problem with INFO datatype. The descriptor was setup to recognize .info for both PNG icons &I FF icons (Classic Icons). But it only worked for Classic Icons because PNG datatype was picking up the PNG icons. So I revised the descriptor to look for 'E310' for Classic Icons.

The descriptor files should match the file signature. Though in theory the descriptor for GIF isn't wrong. It just doesn't account for GIF ANIM.

Looking at a GIF ANIM in a hex editor an animated GIF has signature 'GIF89a'. So the descriptor is the problem. But which datatype is used to display GIF animation?

Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on February 09, 2023, 09:29:32 AM

What happens when you copy your descriptors to Icaros?

Same thing happens on AROS One, you will see Images and Animations well, see screenshot.

Quote
Same result? Rename or move the current ones.

You need to replace the two Descriptors present, create and add the def_GIFanim.info

Quote
Looking at a GIF ANIM in a hex editor an animated GIF has signature 'GIF89a'. So the descriptor is the problem. But which datatype is used to display GIF animation?

You need  gifanim.datatype
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on February 09, 2023, 03:55:37 PM
deadwood, with Build 20201110, I read that there are changes in Fonts, when I run OWB I get big fonts that I didn't configure, see screenshot

Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: ncafferkey on February 09, 2023, 09:01:24 PM
@AMIGASYSTEM

Thanks for the report. What changed with 20221110 is that GIFAnim has higher priority than GIF so that it can detect gif animations. As you mentioned some of the gif images in AmiGG are animations, so they are correctly loaded by GIFAnim. The problem is that AmiGG is probably not ready to work with animation datatype. I don't yet know what the solution should be for ABIv0. I need to think about it.

I may be missing some context (I don't know what AmiGG is!), but if AmiGG comes with AnimGIFs that it wants to use as images, is it not broken? Shouldn't the button images then be converted to plain GIF images (prior to distribution, I mean)?

OTOH, are the problematic files definitely anims, i.e. has anyone viewed them as anims? Or could they be static images that just happen to have the GIF89 header (which may be valid, I haven't checked the spec.)? If that were the case then the descriptor would probably need to be refined.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: ncafferkey on February 09, 2023, 09:19:43 PM
ok deadwood all work fine except screenmode do not works give errors

thank you

Which video driver are you using? Can you try if you get the same crash with VESA?

i use nvidia quadro nvs 295, on vesa works deadwood

I have the same problem with my Quadro FX 3800.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: ncafferkey on February 09, 2023, 09:36:56 PM
  - ATA=off switch (use ATA=disable)

Boot prefs may need to be updated to use this option, and also for other things (e.g. when it parses the first boot configuration, it thinks USB is disabled and floppy is enabled, perhaps because boot options have changed or vary between ABIs).

Quote
  - Moved Sashimi to SYS:Tools/Debug

What about Bifteck?

Quote
  - Moved PCITool and ACPITool to SYS:Tools/Hardware

IMHO this doesn't necessarily make sense. Several other tools could be considered hardware related, e.g. HDToolBox, SysExplorer, ShowConfig, not to mention the printer tools.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on February 10, 2023, 02:15:15 AM

OTOH, are the problematic files definitely anims, i.e. has anyone viewed them as anims? Or could they be static images that just happen to have the GIF89 header (which may be valid, I haven't checked the spec.)? If that were the case then the descriptor would probably need to be refined.

Basically many buttons are gif animations, see attached files, some however were probably saved with only one frame, and to the appearance they look like images, if I convert the animations to images probably the program will work even if I enable GIFAnim on the System, I will do this test to see if I am right.

If you want to test the program I attach the archive (the version posted on aros-archive does not work requires MUI 41 or higher)

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1x3IQBwelXp-qKsMaSdW3F9tbvqxSruNK/view?usp=share_link
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on February 10, 2023, 02:38:05 AM
In fact it was as I thought, I recreated in GIF 87 format the two fake animations (windowhide_i.gif and pliki.gif), and now on AmiGG also animations work well, though on the AROS One i activated GIFAnim Descriptors and GIF animations are recognized by the system.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: deadwood on February 10, 2023, 03:14:44 AM
deadwood, with Build 20201110, I read that there are changes in Fonts, when I run OWB I get big fonts that I didn't configure, see screenshot

As far as I saw, fonts were only added. It might be that you need to delete OWB font cache and let it scan the fonts again OR just delete the fonts that were added in 20201110 builds from your distribution.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: deadwood on February 10, 2023, 04:13:47 AM
Hello,

The 20201110-1 release is now available:

http://www.aros.org/snapshots.php
https://github.com/deadw00d/AROS/releases/tag/ABIv0_20201110-1
https://axrt.org/downloads-aros

In total we integrated over 1400 code changes. Still 1700 code changes remaining to integrated to be up to date with master branch. Thanks go to all AROS developers who contributed to this release (see changelog below) as well as everyone who helped testing it over last month - thanks for all your hard work!

Final change log:

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AROS ABIv0 20201110-1 changes:

  Functionalities:
    Display free video memory in SysMon where supported (Kalamatee)
    Initial work on supporting 3D acceleration in VMWare video driver (Kalamatee)
    Implemented network driver for certain nVidia chipsets (Neil)
    Initial work on scsi.device (Kalamatee)
    Signal CxObject support implemented (Hakan Thorngren)
    Support PUBSCREEN argument in Prefs/Appearance, BoingIconBar (Kalamatee)
    Support PUBSCREEN argument in Tools/Clock and multiple Prefs applications (Hakan Thorngren)
    Support PUBSCREEN variable support in intuition.library (o1i)
    Improvements to rendering screen and window title bars (Kalamatee)
    Allow video drivers to report display change (Kalamatee)
    Prefs/IControl works better on low-resolution screens (Kalamatee)
    Set overscan based on information coming from driver (Kalamatee)
    Prefs/ScreenMode display more information about video modes (Kalamatee)
    Prefs/Palette reworked to be more compatible with Intuition (Kalamatee)
    Muimaster.library and built-in classes have been localized (Matthias Rustler)
    Initial work on supporting long filenames in afs-handler (Kalamatee)
    Palette preferences are now loaded into Intuition (Kalamatee)
    Implemented SetMem, Strlcat, Strlcpy in utility.library (Kalamatee)
    Implemented VSNPritnf in utility.library (Matthias Rustler)
    AmigaPL font collection added (wawa)
    Implemented GetKey, AddKBInt, RemKBInt, ElapsedTime in lowlevel.library (Kalamatee)
    Part of functionality of SystemControlA in lowlevel.library available (Kalamatee)
    Additional font collections added (Kalamatee)
    Initial implementation of GetSegListInfo in dos.library (Kalamatee)
    Allow loading AmigaOS-style hunk keymaps and fonts on AROS (Kalamatee)
    Implemented AssignAddToList in dos.library (Kalamatee)
    Implemented v45 datatypes.library functions (Kalamatee)
    Introduced webp.datatype (Kalamatee)
    Introduced ClockSource subsystem in Kernel (Kalamatee)
    Improvements to file system handling in Wanderer (Bo Kopperud)
    Public SDK not longer exposes internal AROS headers & libraries (deadwood)

  64-bit support:
    Application.mui (functional fixes) (deadwood)
    gif.datatype (stability fixes) (Kalamatee)
    hdaudio.audio (functional fixes) (Kalamatee)
    datatypes.library (stability fixes) (Kalamatee)
    dos.library (support R_X86_64_PC64 relocation) (Kalamatee)
    AHI, NList.mcc (functional fixes) (deadwood)
    C library (vfork) (deadwood)
    xadmaster.library (functional fixes) (Matthias Rustler)

  68k support:
    Major extensions to amigavideo.hidd (Kalamatee, Toni Wilen)
    Kernel (Kalamatee, Michal Schulz)
    Detect ROM sizes and CPU types (Kalamatee, Hakan Thorngren)
    Initial work on wd33c93 SCSI support (Kalamatee)
    Decrease sizes of ROM and boot floppy (Kalamatee)
    Improve speed of line drawing in p96gfx.hidd (Hakan Thorngren)
    Kernel Vampire support (Kalamatee)
    Fix loading and saving Wanderer global.prefs (Bo Kopperud)
    Work on screen compositing in amigavideo.hidd (Kalamatee)
    Separate preferences set for classic look & feel (Kalamatee, wawa)
    Support user copper lists (Kalamatee)
    Fixed CapsLock support in keyboard driver (Kalamatee)
    Speed improved in Gayle ata driver (Michal Schulz)
    Introduction of SAGA video driver (Michal Schulz)
    Flexcat (support AmigaPL and amiga1251 encodings) (Kalamatee)
    Decrease use of C library functions in ROM code (Kalamatee)
    Improve CLUT bitmap handling in p96gfx.hidd (Kalamatee)
    Kernel AMMX support (Michal Schulz)
    Fix in dos.library HUNK format support (Michal Schulz)
    Binary compatibility fix in timer.device relating to A0 (Michal Schulz)

  ARM support:
    BetterString.mcc fixes (Michal Schulz)
    Add support in build system for ARM BE target (Kalamatee)

  Updates:
    AROS build system (Kalamatee, deadwood, Michal Schulz, Matthias Rustler)
    Polish catalogs for SysExplorer, SysMon, muimaster.library (wawa)
    BetterString.mcc v11.33 (wawa)
    Documentation (o1i, Matthias Rustler, Kalamatee)
    Italian catalog for BoingIconBar (Paolo Besser)
    Norwegian catalogs for large number of programs in AROS (Bo Kopperud)
    Prefs/Wanderer (Kalamatee)
    VPDF (wawa)
    ShowConfig (Kalamatee)
    pfs3-handler (wawa)
    bmp.datatype (Handle 1,2,4 bpp bitmaps) (Miker, Kalamatee)
    Prefs/Palette, SysExplorer and muimaster.library German catalogs (Matthias Rustler)
    Re-encode most of catalog files to fixed used characters (Kalamatee)
    InstallAROS (Kalamatee)
    C:Mount, C:Assign (Kalamatee)
    grub 2.04 (Kalamatee)
    C library (interfaces for 64-bit file system functions) (Kalamatee)
    animation.datatype (Kalamatee)
    acpia.library 20200214 (Kalamatee)
    alsa.audio (deadwood)
    ata.device (Kalamatee)
    DTConverter (Kalamatee)
    icu4c 61.1 (Kalamatee)
   

  Functional fixes:
    Prefs/ScreenMode (Kalamatee)
    autoinit (bugs: #40) (deadwood)
    hostgl.library (make it work with newer 64-bit hosts) (deadwood)
    Workaround for GF8xxx+ cards not working with AROS (Kalamatee, deadwood)
    posixc.library (Kalamatee)
    amigaguide.datatype (bugs: initial rendering no always working) (Hakan Thorngren)
    intuition.library (bugs: screen can be dragged down lower than bar) (Kalamatee)
    Intuition.library (bugs: trying to show shutdown screen when no driver) (Kalamatee)
    Prefs/Printer (Kalamatee)
    DiskInfo (bugs: damaged window title) (Matthias Rustler)
    Palette.mui (bugs: wrong values retured by Entries and Names attributes) (Kalamatee)
    Shell (Michal Schulz, deadwood)
    picture.datatype (bugs: wrong values returned for certain attributes, wrong color remapping) (Kalamatee, Miker)
    gif.datatype (bugs: wrong saving of gifs) (Kalamatee)
    console.device (bugs: wrong pens used) (Kalamatee)
    afs-handler (Kalamatee)
    Prefs/Pointer (Kalamatee)
    png.datatype (bugs: handling of palettized pngs with alpha) (Kalamatee, deadwood)
    C library (fseek) (Kalamatee)
    layer.library (bugs: Wrong offset in ScrollLayer) (Bo Kopperud)
    bmp.datatype (bugs: Wrong loading of 16bit BMPs, padding bytes) (Kalamatee)
    cybergraphics.library (Kalamatee)
    Wanderer (multiline label support, window titles) (Kalamatee, Bo Kopperud)
    Commodities/FKey (Kalamatee)
    fat-handler (David Gilmore)
    Slider.mui (bugs: display walue was overwritten) (deadwood)
    DOpus (bugs: trashing config) (Kalamatee)

  Stability fixes:
    graphics.library (bugs: boot driver not unregistered correctly) (deadwood)
    mesa3dgl.library (bugs: crash in shader program compiler) (deadwood)
    Prefs/Palette (bugs: memory overwrite) (Kalamatee)
    SysExplorer (bugs: use of uninitialized object) (Matthias Rustler)
    x11gfx.hidd (bugs: wrong memory free) (Matthias Rustler)
    dos.library (bugs: memory overwrite) (Matthias Rustler)
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: deadwood on February 10, 2023, 04:15:14 AM
As mentioned earlier, if I'm able to resolve remaining open issues, they will be released as patches on top of this release.

Open topics:
  - ScreenMode crash on nVidia cards
  - kernel needs IOAPIC disabled for nVidia PCI-E cards to work
  - ACPI Reboot/Shutdown on VMs
  - Acer Aspire One / Eepc USB problems
  - https://github.com/deadw00d/AROS/issues/86
  - https://github.com/deadw00d/AROS/issues/88
  - AmiGG does not start with GIFAnim

@AMIGASYSTEM, @paolo - please wait with releasing your distributions until I can fix Prefs/ScreenMode for nVidia cards. This should be in a next few days.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on February 10, 2023, 04:19:58 AM

As far as I saw, fonts were only added. It might be that you need to delete OWB font cache and let it scan the fonts again OR just delete the fonts that were added in 20201110 builds from your distribution.

Clearing the OWB font cache and letting it scan the fonts again doesn't work, i had already tried.

I also tried deleting suspicious fonts that look like that, then solved it by using my old fonts from AROS One
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on February 10, 2023, 04:26:03 AM


@AMIGASYSTEM, @paolo - please wait with releasing your distributions until I can fix Prefs/ScreenMode for nVidia cards. This should be in a next few days.

Yes absolutely, it is my habit, to release my Distribution only after a stable Build release, and especially after testing system and third party Apps
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: OlafS3 on February 10, 2023, 04:56:33 AM

As far as I saw, fonts were only added. It might be that you need to delete OWB font cache and let it scan the fonts again OR just delete the fonts that were added in 20201110 builds from your distribution.

Clearing the OWB font cache and letting it scan the fonts again doesn't work, i had already tried.

I also tried deleting suspicious fonts that look like that, then solved it by using my old fonts from AROS One

Hello Deadwood,

you posted a new version of ABI0 on amigaworld with changes also regarding 68k. I do not find where I can download your 68k version. The version on official server not includes certain fixes it seems.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: deadwood on February 10, 2023, 04:58:22 AM
In fact it was as I thought, I recreated in GIF 87 format the two fake animations (windowhide_i.gif and pliki.gif), and now on AmiGG also animations work well, though on the AROS One i activated GIFAnim Descriptors and GIF animations are recognized by the system.

I think situation might be more complex - I will need to look into specs to understand it.

When you say "now on AmiGG also animations work" do you actually see animated GIFs in AmiGG working (displaying animation)? Can you make the two files you changed available for me?
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: deadwood on February 10, 2023, 05:00:22 AM

Hello Deadwood,

you posted a new version of ABI0 on amigaworld with changes also regarding 68k. I do not find where I can download your 68k version. The version on official server not includes certain fixes it seems.

The changes in 68k support (as well as 64-bit support and ARM support) where added to the list to recognize people's work. They are not "available" for download. Or looking at this the other way - they are already available in the 68k builds since 2020 so you "already have them" in your 68k builds. I hope that explains.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: OlafS3 on February 10, 2023, 05:11:00 AM
I am not sure... I use your 68k build (not the one from aros.org who seems to miss some important fixes). So it is not included?
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: deadwood on February 10, 2023, 05:13:26 AM
  - ATA=off switch (use ATA=disable)

Boot prefs may need to be updated to use this option, and also for other things (e.g. when it parses the first boot configuration, it thinks USB is disabled and floppy is enabled, perhaps because boot options have changed or vary between ABIs).


Recorded for future: https://github.com/deadw00d/AROS/issues/91

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  - Moved Sashimi to SYS:Tools/Debug

What about Bifteck?

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  - Moved PCITool and ACPITool to SYS:Tools/Hardware

IMHO this doesn't necessarily make sense. Several other tools could be considered hardware related, e.g. HDToolBox, SysExplorer, ShowConfig, not to mention the printer tools.

The mentioned tools were at some point moved to Development, which means they were not installed in standard installation (Development is not installed by default). However I often use these tools to ask user to provide information on their system and so I found it important to have them in standard installation. (Bifteck I don't use - if you use it go ahead and move it).

As for directory placement it's a subjective topic. I think there is more than one way of grouping these programs that would seem valid from certain point o view.The way that it is now, it good enough for me.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: deadwood on February 10, 2023, 05:15:19 AM
I am not sure... I use your 68k build (not the one from aros.org who seems to miss some important fixes). So it is not included?

I'm not sure I understand. What I listed in the change log, was added to the code base in 2020. It is still there are available in (my) 68k builds unless some other change in 2021-2023 overrode it.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on February 10, 2023, 05:32:31 AM
I confirm that deadwood Build 68k is updatedat, it already included the new features of Build x86 20201110
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on February 10, 2023, 05:36:15 AM


I think situation might be more complex - I will need to look into specs to understand it.

When you say "now on AmiGG also animations work" do you actually see animated GIFs in AmiGG working (displaying animation)? Can you make the two files you changed available for me?

Yes the "real" Gif animation works fine on AmiGG, see small attached video, I prepare and attach here an archive with my GIF and GIGAnim Descriptors and Datatypes

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1sI5ZkRRN_rrpbT9CFfVAmlfn1sk9crF6/view?usp=share_link


Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: Amiwell on February 10, 2023, 05:41:45 AM
Hello,

The 20201110-1 release is now available:

http://www.aros.org/snapshots.php
https://github.com/deadw00d/AROS/releases/tag/ABIv0_20201110-1
https://axrt.org/downloads-aros

In total we integrated over 1400 code changes. Still 1700 code changes remaining to integrated to be up to date with master branch. Thanks go to all AROS developers who contributed to this release (see changelog below) as well as everyone who helped testing it over last month - thanks for all your hard work!

Final change log:

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AROS ABIv0 20201110-1 changes:

  Functionalities:
    Display free video memory in SysMon where supported (Kalamatee)
    Initial work on supporting 3D acceleration in VMWare video driver (Kalamatee)
    Implemented network driver for certain nVidia chipsets (Neil)
    Initial work on scsi.device (Kalamatee)
    Signal CxObject support implemented (Hakan Thorngren)
    Support PUBSCREEN argument in Prefs/Appearance, BoingIconBar (Kalamatee)
    Support PUBSCREEN argument in Tools/Clock and multiple Prefs applications (Hakan Thorngren)
    Support PUBSCREEN variable support in intuition.library (o1i)
    Improvements to rendering screen and window title bars (Kalamatee)
    Allow video drivers to report display change (Kalamatee)
    Prefs/IControl works better on low-resolution screens (Kalamatee)
    Set overscan based on information coming from driver (Kalamatee)
    Prefs/ScreenMode display more information about video modes (Kalamatee)
    Prefs/Palette reworked to be more compatible with Intuition (Kalamatee)
    Muimaster.library and built-in classes have been localized (Matthias Rustler)
    Initial work on supporting long filenames in afs-handler (Kalamatee)
    Palette preferences are now loaded into Intuition (Kalamatee)
    Implemented SetMem, Strlcat, Strlcpy in utility.library (Kalamatee)
    Implemented VSNPritnf in utility.library (Matthias Rustler)
    AmigaPL font collection added (wawa)
    Implemented GetKey, AddKBInt, RemKBInt, ElapsedTime in lowlevel.library (Kalamatee)
    Part of functionality of SystemControlA in lowlevel.library available (Kalamatee)
    Additional font collections added (Kalamatee)
    Initial implementation of GetSegListInfo in dos.library (Kalamatee)
    Allow loading AmigaOS-style hunk keymaps and fonts on AROS (Kalamatee)
    Implemented AssignAddToList in dos.library (Kalamatee)
    Implemented v45 datatypes.library functions (Kalamatee)
    Introduced webp.datatype (Kalamatee)
    Introduced ClockSource subsystem in Kernel (Kalamatee)
    Improvements to file system handling in Wanderer (Bo Kopperud)
    Public SDK not longer exposes internal AROS headers & libraries (deadwood)

  64-bit support:
    Application.mui (functional fixes) (deadwood)
    gif.datatype (stability fixes) (Kalamatee)
    hdaudio.audio (functional fixes) (Kalamatee)
    datatypes.library (stability fixes) (Kalamatee)
    dos.library (support R_X86_64_PC64 relocation) (Kalamatee)
    AHI, NList.mcc (functional fixes) (deadwood)
    C library (vfork) (deadwood)
    xadmaster.library (functional fixes) (Matthias Rustler)

  68k support:
    Major extensions to amigavideo.hidd (Kalamatee, Toni Wilen)
    Kernel (Kalamatee, Michal Schulz)
    Detect ROM sizes and CPU types (Kalamatee, Hakan Thorngren)
    Initial work on wd33c93 SCSI support (Kalamatee)
    Decrease sizes of ROM and boot floppy (Kalamatee)
    Improve speed of line drawing in p96gfx.hidd (Hakan Thorngren)
    Kernel Vampire support (Kalamatee)
    Fix loading and saving Wanderer global.prefs (Bo Kopperud)
    Work on screen compositing in amigavideo.hidd (Kalamatee)
    Separate preferences set for classic look & feel (Kalamatee, wawa)
    Support user copper lists (Kalamatee)
    Fixed CapsLock support in keyboard driver (Kalamatee)
    Speed improved in Gayle ata driver (Michal Schulz)
    Introduction of SAGA video driver (Michal Schulz)
    Flexcat (support AmigaPL and amiga1251 encodings) (Kalamatee)
    Decrease use of C library functions in ROM code (Kalamatee)
    Improve CLUT bitmap handling in p96gfx.hidd (Kalamatee)
    Kernel AMMX support (Michal Schulz)
    Fix in dos.library HUNK format support (Michal Schulz)
    Binary compatibility fix in timer.device relating to A0 (Michal Schulz)

  ARM support:
    BetterString.mcc fixes (Michal Schulz)
    Add support in build system for ARM BE target (Kalamatee)

  Updates:
    AROS build system (Kalamatee, deadwood, Michal Schulz, Matthias Rustler)
    Polish catalogs for SysExplorer, SysMon, muimaster.library (wawa)
    BetterString.mcc v11.33 (wawa)
    Documentation (o1i, Matthias Rustler, Kalamatee)
    Italian catalog for BoingIconBar (Paolo Besser)
    Norwegian catalogs for large number of programs in AROS (Bo Kopperud)
    Prefs/Wanderer (Kalamatee)
    VPDF (wawa)
    ShowConfig (Kalamatee)
    pfs3-handler (wawa)
    bmp.datatype (Handle 1,2,4 bpp bitmaps) (Miker, Kalamatee)
    Prefs/Palette, SysExplorer and muimaster.library German catalogs (Matthias Rustler)
    Re-encode most of catalog files to fixed used characters (Kalamatee)
    InstallAROS (Kalamatee)
    C:Mount, C:Assign (Kalamatee)
    grub 2.04 (Kalamatee)
    C library (interfaces for 64-bit file system functions) (Kalamatee)
    animation.datatype (Kalamatee)
    acpia.library 20200214 (Kalamatee)
    alsa.audio (deadwood)
    ata.device (Kalamatee)
    DTConverter (Kalamatee)
    icu4c 61.1 (Kalamatee)
   

  Functional fixes:
    Prefs/ScreenMode (Kalamatee)
    autoinit (bugs: #40) (deadwood)
    hostgl.library (make it work with newer 64-bit hosts) (deadwood)
    Workaround for GF8xxx+ cards not working with AROS (Kalamatee, deadwood)
    posixc.library (Kalamatee)
    amigaguide.datatype (bugs: initial rendering no always working) (Hakan Thorngren)
    intuition.library (bugs: screen can be dragged down lower than bar) (Kalamatee)
    Intuition.library (bugs: trying to show shutdown screen when no driver) (Kalamatee)
    Prefs/Printer (Kalamatee)
    DiskInfo (bugs: damaged window title) (Matthias Rustler)
    Palette.mui (bugs: wrong values retured by Entries and Names attributes) (Kalamatee)
    Shell (Michal Schulz, deadwood)
    picture.datatype (bugs: wrong values returned for certain attributes, wrong color remapping) (Kalamatee, Miker)
    gif.datatype (bugs: wrong saving of gifs) (Kalamatee)
    console.device (bugs: wrong pens used) (Kalamatee)
    afs-handler (Kalamatee)
    Prefs/Pointer (Kalamatee)
    png.datatype (bugs: handling of palettized pngs with alpha) (Kalamatee, deadwood)
    C library (fseek) (Kalamatee)
    layer.library (bugs: Wrong offset in ScrollLayer) (Bo Kopperud)
    bmp.datatype (bugs: Wrong loading of 16bit BMPs, padding bytes) (Kalamatee)
    cybergraphics.library (Kalamatee)
    Wanderer (multiline label support, window titles) (Kalamatee, Bo Kopperud)
    Commodities/FKey (Kalamatee)
    fat-handler (David Gilmore)
    Slider.mui (bugs: display walue was overwritten) (deadwood)
    DOpus (bugs: trashing config) (Kalamatee)

  Stability fixes:
    graphics.library (bugs: boot driver not unregistered correctly) (deadwood)
    mesa3dgl.library (bugs: crash in shader program compiler) (deadwood)
    Prefs/Palette (bugs: memory overwrite) (Kalamatee)
    SysExplorer (bugs: use of uninitialized object) (Matthias Rustler)
    x11gfx.hidd (bugs: wrong memory free) (Matthias Rustler)
    dos.library (bugs: memory overwrite) (Matthias Rustler)

thanks deadwood i will do some tests :)
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: deadwood on February 10, 2023, 05:42:26 AM


I think situation might be more complex - I will need to look into specs to understand it.

When you say "now on AmiGG also animations work" do you actually see animated GIFs in AmiGG working (displaying animation)? Can you make the two files you changed available for me?

Yes the "real" Gif animation works fine on AmiGG, see small attached video, I prepare and attach here an archive with my GIF and GIGAnim Descriptors and Datatypes

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1sI5ZkRRN_rrpbT9CFfVAmlfn1sk9crF6/view?usp=share_link

That's very good TBH. It might be that fixing these two gifs is the best possible solution rathen then trying to do tricks with with datatypes. I need to analyze this further.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: deadwood on February 10, 2023, 05:45:33 AM
thanks deadwood i will do some tests :)

Note: it is the same ISO I released here two days ago as release-candidate.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: Amiwell on February 10, 2023, 05:48:35 AM
ok i understand deadwood thanks for your efforts, however everything worked for me except for screenmode the fonts for owb no problem i added new ones in the fonts folder and the program displayed everything correctly i deal with tiny aros as distribution :)
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on February 10, 2023, 06:09:23 AM
Except if you have added "All" new fonts of 20201110, you will have "big Font" problems, of course you will notice it after a reboot !
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on February 10, 2023, 06:16:57 AM

That's very good TBH. It might be that fixing these two gifs is the best possible solution rathen then trying to do tricks with with datatypes. I need to analyze this further.

Correcting the two gifs solves the problem with the small and peculiar GifAnimas of AmiGG, but on the AROS Build, "standard" GIFAnim (the ones used on the WEB), they will not be recognized and cannot be executed.

With the Modified Descriptors, on the other hand, everything works perfectly, both AmiGG and "all" commonly used GIFAnimations on the Web, see screenshot.

To mean the Animations you see in the Screenshot with the AROS Build you cannot run them !
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: Amiwell on February 10, 2023, 07:47:45 AM
Except if you have added "All" new fonts of 20201110, you will have "big Font" problems, of course you will notice it after a reboot !

I closed owb copied other fonts and restarted the program without doing any reboot
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: Amiwell on February 10, 2023, 07:49:56 AM

That's very good TBH. It might be that fixing these two gifs is the best possible solution rathen then trying to do tricks with with datatypes. I need to analyze this further.

Correcting the two gifs solves the problem with the small and peculiar GifAnimas of AmiGG, but on the AROS Build, "standard" GIFAnim (the ones used on the WEB), they will not be recognized and cannot be executed.

With the Modified Descriptors, on the other hand, everything works perfectly, both AmiGG and "all" commonly used GIFAnimations on the Web, see screenshot.

To mean the Animations you see in the Screenshot with the AROS Build you cannot run them !

You used the same datatypes as the contrib archive
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on February 10, 2023, 09:01:21 AM
I closed owb copied other fonts and restarted the program without doing any reboot
After you have copied "all" the "Fonts" from Build 20201110, and overwritten your own, you must clean the OWB Chace and reboot if you want to notice the problem ! If you have not done this you will not notice any difference.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on February 10, 2023, 10:21:04 AM

You used the same datatypes as the contrib archive


GIFAnim.datatypes contrib works well, even if installed together with GIF.datatypes, you will be able to see GIF Images and Animations correctly, but the AmiGG Program will not work, AmiGG works only with the Descriptors modified by me, and the conversions of the two files mentioned above.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: Amiwell on February 10, 2023, 10:55:29 AM

You used the same datatypes as the contrib archive


GIFAnim.datatypes contrib works well, even if installed together with GIF.datatypes, you will be able to see GIF Images and Animations correctly, but the AmiGG Program will not work, AmiGG works only with the Descriptors modified by me, and the conversions of the two files mentioned above.

ok i understand but there is file ".gifanim.i386" what is this?
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on February 10, 2023, 12:29:00 PM

That's very good TBH. It might be that fixing these two gifs is the best possible solution rathen then trying to do tricks with with datatypes. I need to analyze this further.

Unraveled the mystery, basically the fake Animations, are nothing more than GIF images with a transparent background.

Basically if on a GIF Image (GIF 87a),  you create the transparent border, it is automatically saved as GIF 89 (Acronym for GIF Animated), then as if it were an animation.

Conclusion, if I remove the transparencies to the images in AmiGG, there will be no more conflicts and the GIF datatypes of the Build and the GIFAnim of the Contrib can be used simultaneously, and my Descriptors will no longer be needed

EDIT:

Negative, with the Build/Contrib GIF and GIGAnim Descriptors, you cannot use AmiGG, even if you convert the fake Images

Basically the 2 Build/Contrib Descriptors, have identical file internals, only the designated datatypes change, hence the possible confusion in Image/Animation recognition.

for the time being on AROS One remain my descriptors which do not have these problems in recognizing files.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: ncafferkey on February 10, 2023, 02:12:31 PM
  - ATA=off switch (use ATA=disable)

Boot prefs may need to be updated to use this option, and also for other things (e.g. when it parses the first boot configuration, it thinks USB is disabled and floppy is enabled, perhaps because boot options have changed or vary between ABIs).


Recorded for future: https://github.com/deadw00d/AROS/issues/91

Thanks.

Quote
Quote
  - Moved Sashimi to SYS:Tools/Debug

What about Bifteck?

Quote
  - Moved PCITool and ACPITool to SYS:Tools/Hardware

IMHO this doesn't necessarily make sense. Several other tools could be considered hardware related, e.g. HDToolBox, SysExplorer, ShowConfig, not to mention the printer tools.

The mentioned tools were at some point moved to Development, which means they were not installed in standard installation (Development is not installed by default). However I often use these tools to ask user to provide information on their system and so I found it important to have them in standard installation. (Bifteck I don't use - if you use it go ahead and move it).

As for directory placement it's a subjective topic. I think there is more than one way of grouping these programs that would seem valid from certain point o view.The way that it is now, it good enough for me.

Fair enough, I realise it's always going to be subjective. To be clearer though, I probably should have said where I do think is a good place for them rather than where I don't :) Still just IMHO, but I was used to and happy with PCITool directly in SYS:Tools, and I'm guessing a lot of other users were too. I know it wasn't your decision to move them to Development.

Re Bifteck, my reasoning is that like Sashimi it's also a useful tool for users to capture system information either for themselves or to pass on to developers.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: deadwood on February 11, 2023, 03:01:51 AM
Is there some magic involved in creating a USB FAT pen drive that is visible by AROS? I formatted a 4GB pendrive with MBR, FAT32 LBA primary partition under Linux and when I attach it to AROS (either native or VirtualBox), the volume is visible as NDOS. :/ When I format it from AROS side, it become visible under AROS, but Linux reports that file system is damaged. :/
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on February 11, 2023, 03:31:34 AM
I format the 4/8 GB Pendrives from Windows in FAT32 and they are visible correctly even from AROS

Of course when I use a Pendrive to install AROS or OS3, before I use it on Windows, I delete the partition first, also you have to also clean up the Bootloader "RDB" otherwise even if you format it in FAT32 and it works fine everywhere, the Bootloader "RDB" remains stored on the Pendrive, this happens also with HDs.

Probably Linux in your pendrive still sees the AROS Bootlloader, try to delete the partition and do a Wipe on the first 2/300 MB, so you delete the AROS BootLoader

This also happens:

Depending on the initialization the same pendrive, after formatting it FAt32 on AROS is assigned a different def_icon, def_USB or def_hardisk, this depends on what is left in the bootloader.

A proper cleaning of the pendrive should have def_USB as an icon.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: deadwood on February 11, 2023, 03:45:26 AM
Re Bifteck, my reasoning is that like Sashimi it's also a useful tool for users to capture system information either for themselves or to pass on to developers.

Since I don't use Bifteck, moving it is an unnecessary change for me - which I try to avoid. If you believe you will need it for your development or for remote-user-debugging, go ahead and move it :) (move binary and icon, don't move the source code please).
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: deadwood on February 11, 2023, 04:03:26 AM
@AMIGASYSTEM

Unfortunatelly doing full erase of pendrive did not help. The FAT partition visible from Linux is not visible from AROS. Looks like some specific bug between USB and fat-handler, as I prepared a virtual disk image with same parameters (MBR, FAT LBA, primary partition, 4GB) and this disk works correctly under AROS. I'll need to invastigate this.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on February 11, 2023, 04:29:54 AM
Just for verification, have you tried formatting the Pendrive on Windows? If you don't have Windows I prepare a 4GB USB image formatted with Windows and "burn" it to your Pendrive.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: deadwood on February 11, 2023, 04:57:14 AM
@AMIGASYSTEM

Thanks, I already located the problem. It might be that Windows formats a bit different and you will never have this problem.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: deadwood on February 11, 2023, 05:53:10 AM
First patch available:
https://axrt.org/development/20201110-PATCH-D1.zip

PATCH-D1:
  - ScreenMode crash on nVidia cards
  - fat-handler now recognizes certain Linux-formatted partitions

Open topics:
  - kernel needs IOAPIC disabled for nVidia PCI-E cards to work
  - ACPI Reboot/Shutdown on VMs
  - Acer Aspire One / Eepc USB problems
  - https://github.com/deadw00d/AROS/issues/86
  - https://github.com/deadw00d/AROS/issues/88
  - AmiGG does not start with GIFAnim
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on February 11, 2023, 06:03:38 AM
I noticed that the Wanderer Prefs GUI has become very large, and no it is not possible to resize it, can it be resized like in the old Builds ?
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: miker1264 on February 11, 2023, 06:25:22 AM
@AMIGASYSTEM

Thanks, I already located the problem. It might be that Windows formats a bit different and you will never have this problem.

@deadwood

That's correct. Fat32 formatting can be different for each OS. Even Windows 2000 formatted Fat32 differently than more recent OS versions. There used to be a 32GB limit for Fat32 partition size then it became the 128GB limit. There are subtle differences even between Windows versions. It's very possible that Linux formats Fat32 differently. I believe it's called VFat but I'm not sure about that last part.

Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: deadwood on February 11, 2023, 06:57:51 AM
@AMIGASYSTEM

Here you go (thanks go to Mazze):

https://axrt.org/development/20201110-PATCH-D2.zip
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on February 11, 2023, 07:24:01 AM
Thanks Mazze, now the Wanderer Prefs GUI can be resized and save size (Zune)
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on February 11, 2023, 07:39:39 AM
With 20201110 I encountered a problem on the top bar of AROSPDF.

Basically the text that includes AROSPDF + PDF File Name, disappears (or a small square appears) if you resize the window, or if you click on another window, see screenshot.

This does not happen on my old AROS One v1.2
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: miker1264 on February 11, 2023, 08:05:50 AM
With 20201110 I encountered a problem on the top bar of AROSPDF.

Basically the text that includes AROSPDF + PDF File Name, disappears (or a small square appears) if you resize the window, or if you click on another window, see screenshot.

This does not happen on my old AROS One v1.2

I've seen that problem before. The window title especially on x86-64 becomes just a small square or unreadable. It has to do with the way we get the string value. StrDup seems to fix that issue. Though this issue may be similar but not exactly the same.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: deadwood on February 11, 2023, 10:35:40 AM
Would be good to locate more software that has this bug and do a workaround for it in one go TBH.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on February 11, 2023, 11:46:33 AM
There are no other Applications that have this problem, could be related to Fonts maybe similar to Typography problem, both work fine on AROS One v1.2
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: Amiwell on February 11, 2023, 12:20:22 PM
@AMIGASYSTEM

Here you go (thanks go to Mazze):

https://axrt.org/development/20201110-PATCH-D2.zip

Thanks :)
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: deadwood on February 15, 2023, 12:52:54 AM
Hello,

I revived the native x86_64 ISO on ABIv11 for purpose of checking whether latest kernel fixes some of the reported issues. Please let me know if this ISO behaves better than 20201110 in terms of:

- Reboot/Shutdown (*)
- Working with Acer Aspire / EEEpc (usb boot issues)
- Working with Dell Mini

https://axrt.org/development/aros-pc-x86_64-alpha-1.zip

(*) Warm reboot seems to crash VirtualBox, cold and shutdown and ACPI button works for me.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on February 15, 2023, 01:12:40 AM
This ISO (ABIv11) won't boot on VMware and VirtualBox, so I can't do any Testing !
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: deadwood on February 15, 2023, 01:33:09 AM
This ISO (ABIv11) won't boot on VMware and VirtualBox, so I can't do any Testing !

Are you sure you created a 64-bit virtual machine? If you created a 32-bit one, this ISO will not run.

Try adding debug=serial to grub command line and let me know what it shows.

EDIT: I created a new VM in VirtualBox 7 using standard wizard (type Other/Unknown (64-bit)) and the ISO boots
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on February 15, 2023, 02:17:00 AM
I used Other/Unknown (64-bit) on both VMWare v7.1.2 and VirtualBox v6.1, the ISO does not boot

tried adding debug=serial (after set default=4), nothing changed the ISO, after Grub starts, the VM reboots.

I noticed that the two ISOs you attached on 20201110 and ABIv11 are identical, same ISO
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: deadwood on February 15, 2023, 05:29:37 AM
You need to add debug=serial to entry command line, see screen shot. I also attach my definition of virtual machine from VBox 7. Can you compare the differences with your? Can you also send me the VBox.log file (it is in VM Logs directory).
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on February 15, 2023, 07:38:51 AM
Made the Modification on the GRUB, the Build does not start.

Tried your config "ssss.vbox", the Build does not start, I attach the various LOGs

I will try to download VrtualBox 7 and redo the tests

EDIT:

I installed and used VirtualBox-7.0.6, nothing changed After GRUB the system goes into Guru
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: deadwood on February 15, 2023, 10:40:24 AM
What Guru? Can you make me a screen shot of that Guru?

Also please try these settings:

CPU: 1
RAM: 512MB
USB: 2.0 (be sure to install oracle extensions package)
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on February 15, 2023, 11:28:56 AM
What Guru? Can you make me a screen shot of that Guru?


Guru not AROS, but a native VirtualBox Guru Meditation, see screenshot

Already tested CPU 1 and RAM 512MB, now I try to install oracle extensions package.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on February 15, 2023, 11:54:51 AM
I installed Oracle Extensions Package, nothing has changed, I still get the same Guru Meditation
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on February 15, 2023, 12:33:00 PM
On VirtualBox in Native Mode I get the message "Not x86-64 Compatible"

My PC is a DualCore and Windows 7 64Bit 4GB RAM
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: deadwood on February 15, 2023, 01:41:18 PM
That's progress - I get this error too when I set up my virtual machine as 32-bit instead of 64-bit.

Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: ncafferkey on February 16, 2023, 01:49:15 AM
Hello,

I revived the native x86_64 ISO on ABIv11 for purpose of checking whether latest kernel fixes some of the reported issues. Please let me know if this ISO behaves better than 20201110 in terms of:

- Reboot/Shutdown (*)
- Working with Acer Aspire / EEEpc (usb boot issues)
- Working with Dell Mini

I don't think the Aspire AA1 or the original EeePC are 64-bit. The same may apply to the Dell Mini. However, the Toshiba netbook that gave me ACPI reboot/shutdown trouble apparently is 64-bit, so I'll try to test your ISO on that.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on February 16, 2023, 01:52:15 AM
Also tested with QEmu, when I edit Grub I get the message of incompatible CPU
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: deadwood on February 16, 2023, 09:36:27 AM
@AMIGASYSTEM

Can you try downloading any 64-bit Linux ISO and check if it works for you under VM?
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on February 16, 2023, 10:13:15 AM
On VMware I had installed Mint 21 Mate, I think it is 64Bit, I attach screenshot that should confirm what I said !

My 64Bit Win7 works fine, installed by some me if without experiencing any problems.

Only strange thing, is that on VirtualBox "VT -x/AMD" is disabled.

On VMWare you can enable "VT -x/AMD", but then a request tells me that my Hardware is not supported for this works.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: deadwood on February 16, 2023, 10:21:00 AM
Ok, fair enough. It looks like there is something about your computer that AROS does not like.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: miker1264 on February 16, 2023, 11:47:37 AM
On VMware I had installed Mint 21 Mate, I think it is 64Bit, I attach screenshot that should confirm what I said !

My 64Bit Win7 works fine, installed by some me if without experiencing any problems.

Only strange thing, is that on VirtualBox "VT -x/AMD" is disabled.

On VMWare you can enable "VT -x/AMD", but then a request tells me that my Hardware is not supported for this works.

Not sure if it helps but for AROS hosted on Linux I had problems with Linux Mint so I switched to Ubuntu. No problems after that.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on February 16, 2023, 12:07:42 PM
miker the problem is not Linux Mint, also because I don't use Linux for AROS, I only use it for testing.

The problem is that my PC does not support ABIv0 20201110 64Bit Virtualization, other 64 Bit virtualizations work fine, that's why I was mentioning Linux Mint
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: paolone on February 17, 2023, 02:32:05 AM
Hello,I revived the native x86_64 ISO on ABIv11 for purpose of checking whether latest kernel fixes some of the reported issues. Please let me know if this ISO behaves better than 20201110 in terms of:- Reboot/Shutdown (*)- Working with Acer Aspire / EEEpc (usb boot issues)- Working with Dell Minihttps://axrt.org/development/aros-pc-x86_64-alpha-1.zip (https://axrt.org/development/aros-pc-x86_64-alpha-1.zip)(*) Warm reboot seems to crash VirtualBox, cold and shutdown and ACPI button works for me.

This under latest VMware platform:
- boots ok to Wanderer, no problems so far (good news)
- warm reboot causes a fault which lets the CPU go in shutdown state (regression), hence the VM makes a cold reboot after a VMware warning message.
- cold reboot seems to work correctly (good news)
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: deadwood on February 17, 2023, 02:52:05 AM
Thank paolone

The warm reboot is a known issue.

As for cold reboot and shutdown, does this mean this x86_64 ISO behave "better" in this regard than the 20201110-1 x86 ISO for you?
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: deadwood on February 17, 2023, 02:53:09 AM
I don't think the Aspire AA1 or the original EeePC are 64-bit. The same may apply to the Dell Mini. However, the Toshiba netbook that gave me ACPI reboot/shutdown trouble apparently is 64-bit, so I'll try to test your ISO on that.

Thanks, looking forward to results.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: ncafferkey on February 17, 2023, 09:53:49 PM
I don't think the Aspire AA1 or the original EeePC are 64-bit. The same may apply to the Dell Mini. However, the Toshiba netbook that gave me ACPI reboot/shutdown trouble apparently is 64-bit, so I'll try to test your ISO on that.

Thanks, looking forward to results.

Unfortunately I can't get it to boot on any real PC. After I select any boot option in GRUB, it always immediately shows a black screen and reboots.

I then suspected the installer wasn't working to install to my USB stick properly. However, it works to install to a virtual HD in VBox. I hope I don't need to burn a CD  ;)

Has anyone else experienced this? Can anyone report success with a real PC?
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: ncafferkey on February 17, 2023, 10:04:45 PM
@AMIGASYSTEM

Thanks, I already located the problem. It might be that Windows formats a bit different and you will never have this problem.

@deadwood

That's correct. Fat32 formatting can be different for each OS. Even Windows 2000 formatted Fat32 differently than more recent OS versions. There used to be a 32GB limit for Fat32 partition size then it became the 128GB limit. There are subtle differences even between Windows versions. It's very possible that Linux formats Fat32 differently. I believe it's called VFat but I'm not sure about that last part.

IIRC those differences in limits are just a choice MS made to discourage people from making huge FAT volumes that are inefficient. The term VFAT refers to the long filename capability introduced with Windows 95 I believe.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: deadwood on February 18, 2023, 12:25:28 AM
Has anyone else experienced this? Can anyone report success with a real PC?

I think it needs more work. From people's report in ABIv11 thread, seems to be only running on VBox/VMWare right now. :-/
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on February 18, 2023, 07:36:04 AM
deadwood on ABIv0 20201110, but also on earlier builds, on Wanderer if you interrupt a file copy (RAM or Hardisk), the system crashes.

To get this problem you have to copy a lot of data and then interrupt "Stop"
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on February 19, 2023, 12:51:38 PM
On ABIv0 20201110, DiskImageGUI is corrupt, earlier versions (I think they are the same version) work fine.

When you run DiskImageGUI, the system crashes !
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: deadwood on February 19, 2023, 11:43:58 PM
On ABIv0 20201110, DiskImageGUI is corrupt, earlier versions (I think they are the same version) work fine.

When you run DiskImageGUI, the system crashes !

Ok, noted.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: deadwood on February 20, 2023, 11:55:11 PM
@AMIGASYSTEM

Can you run Linux Mint 21 again on your VMs, go to console, do

Code: [Select]
$ cat /proc/cpuinfo

and paste the output here?
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on February 21, 2023, 12:58:31 AM
Done, here is the screenshot
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: deadwood on February 21, 2023, 01:23:21 AM
Thanks, there is something missing. Can you also print out

Code: [Select]
$ lscpu
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: paolone on February 21, 2023, 01:38:57 AM
Thank paolone

The warm reboot is a known issue.

As for cold reboot and shutdown, does this mean this x86_64 ISO behave "better" in this regard than the 20201110-1 x86 ISO for you?


Sorry, didn't see your question: yes, it's better.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on February 21, 2023, 01:42:41 AM
Thanks, there is something missing. Can you also print out

Code: [Select]
$ lscpu

Done

Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on February 22, 2023, 03:55:43 AM
Some "VICE" Emulations, for example C128, when you exit the emulation a GURU appears, see screenshot
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: deadwood on February 22, 2023, 04:35:14 AM
Yes, that's a known issues since first "new" ABIv0 release (2016). Can't be solved. A new compilation of those emulators is needed.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: Amiwell on February 22, 2023, 06:03:40 AM
We have been informed that the development of Vice for Aros is finished I don't know who will do it in the future :-\
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on March 04, 2023, 08:18:30 AM
deadwood, "OpenURL" seems not to work, on "OpenUR Prefs" I associated OWB to open a Link, but after clicking nothing happens.

I tried using "OpenURL" posted on Aminet (attached), this seems to work but as soon as clicked it goes to Guru:

http://aminet.net/package/comm/www/OpenURL-7.18


On Aminet there is also OpenWinURL to compile for AROS, I will try to compile it.

On my AROS One I have an AROS version of OpenWinURL, but it seems to compile badly, turns out not executable file.

http://aminet.net/package/comm/www/OpenWinURL
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: deadwood on March 05, 2023, 12:49:13 AM
deadwood, "OpenURL" seems not to work, on "OpenUR Prefs" I associated OWB to open a Link, but after clicking nothing happens.

I tried using "OpenURL" posted on Aminet (attached), this seems to work but as soon as clicked it goes to Guru:

http://aminet.net/package/comm/www/OpenURL-7.18

What's the behavior on reference build (20190416-2)?
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on March 05, 2023, 03:03:39 AM
On reference build 20190416-2, OpenUrl works but as soon as it runs it goes to Crash
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: deadwood on March 05, 2023, 03:26:12 AM
Ok, but what crashes is not OpenURL but OWB. Does it work if you configure other program than OWB to receive the call?
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on March 05, 2023, 03:51:11 AM
With OpenURL I tried to associate a Youtube link with OpenURL, and Amitube opened without getting any Crash, naturalmnete Amitube is not able to execute a Youtube Video Link.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: deadwood on March 05, 2023, 03:59:01 AM
Ok, that's what I thought. It's a problem with starting Odyssey with command line or starting a second Odyssey. This won't be fixed unless someone looks into Odyssey.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: deadwood on March 05, 2023, 11:54:04 AM
With help from Kalamatee I was able to trace the issues with nVidia card on my real hardware. Since it turned out to be an issues with interrupts handling it can actually affect more than just nVidia, especially on newer hardware.

Here is a new ISO:

https://axrt.org/development/AROS-20201110-D15-pc-i386-boot-iso.zip

Please test on your hardware, especially nVidia cards, if all the device that worked with 20201110-1 release are still working.
@AMIGASYSTEM the D15 ISO should now boot on your Dell Mini

Please don't integrated this ISO into your distributions. If tests turn out ok, I will prepare a patch package.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: Amiwell on March 05, 2023, 02:11:33 PM
i have an old nvidia quadro nvs 295 256 Mb, works

ps.DiskImageGui crash the system
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on March 05, 2023, 03:16:06 PM
With help from Kalamatee I was able to trace the issues with nVidia card on my real hardware. Since it turned out to be an issues with interrupts handling it can actually affect more than just nVidia, especially on newer hardware.

Here is a new ISO:

https://axrt.org/development/AROS-20201110-D15-pc-i386-boot-iso.zip

Please test on your hardware, especially nVidia cards, if all the device that worked with 20201110-1 release are still working.


Please don't integrated this ISO into your distributions. If tests turn out ok, I will prepare a patch package.

- With small Netbook Dell Inspiron Mini 910 (IntelGMA 945GSE) now works perfectly, boots from both Native Video Card and VESA.

- CDC Laptop with dual Video Card "NVIDEA NV43M (GeForce Go 6600)" and "Intel GMA Mobile 915GM/GMS 910GML" all OK, they work fine both in "Native" and "VESA" mode

- ACER ASpire 5920 laptop (NVIDIA GeForce 8600M GS/GT), now boots in VESA, but in native I get a black screen

Mind you, I started the Build from Pendrive, but if a USB plug (Wireless Mouse) is connected in the Laptop, even the VESA mode does not boot, it seems that the OS then is searched from that USB port where the Mouse is connected.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: Amiwell on March 05, 2023, 04:00:34 PM
deadwood by new systems you mean new graphics cards that I know the current gallium supports up to Fermi!
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: deadwood on March 05, 2023, 10:48:20 PM
@AMIGASYSTEM, @Amiwell

Thanks for tests.

@Amiwell

By new systems/new hardware I essentially mean motherboards from around 2016 and newer, especially ones that have multiple PCI bridges and many devices (like laptops for example)
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: Amiwell on March 05, 2023, 11:06:24 PM
ok deadwood
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on March 07, 2023, 02:35:30 AM
Ok, that's what I thought. It's a problem with starting Odyssey with command line or starting a second Odyssey. This won't be fixed unless someone looks into Odyssey.

All solved, OpenURL "ABIv0 20201110" works perfectly, also OWB works perfectly with OpenURL, it is solved by adding the Stack of "OWB" in the script executed by the icon, see screenshot !


(https://ae.amigalife.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1063.0;attach=4500;image)
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: deadwood on March 07, 2023, 03:24:29 AM
@AMIGASYSTEM

Ok, good to know. Thanks for solving this.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: deadwood on March 07, 2023, 12:45:14 PM
Hi,

Third patch package:
https://axrt.org/development/20201110-PATCH-D3.zip

PATCH-D3:
  - Prefs/ScreenMode crash on nVidia cards
  - fat-handler now recognizes certain Linux-formatted partitions
  - Prefs/Wanderer window width decrease
  - Synchronize stat.h header with other headers (NO_POSIX_COMMON)
  - kernel needs IOAPIC disabled for nVidia PCI-E cards to work
  - https://github.com/deadw00d/AROS/issues/88
  - DiskimageGUI crash
  - AmiGG does not start with GIFAnim (no change needed in AROS)
  - Programs using Toolbar.mcc crash (*)

Open topics:
  - ACPI Reboot/Shutdown on VMs
  - Acer Aspire One / Eepc USB problems
  - https://github.com/deadw00d/AROS/issues/86

(*) This is caused by breaking of backward compatibility introduced in 20180415 release (2021-04-20). The breaking
is now fixed, but programs compiled with broken Toolbar.mcc will not work with fixed one. In case such programs
exist, let me know and I will look for workarounds.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on March 07, 2023, 03:09:49 PM
but programs compiled with broken Toolbar.mcc will not work with fixed one. In case such programs
exist, let me know and I will look for workarounds.

Thanks for the Patch, at the moment I haven't encountered any problems with programs that use Toolbar.mcc, if one happens I will report it to you.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: Amiwell on March 07, 2023, 03:18:29 PM
Thanks for the patch Deadwood :)
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: Amiwell on March 07, 2023, 04:41:32 PM
With help from Kalamatee I was able to trace the issues with nVidia card on my real hardware. Since it turned out to be an issues with interrupts handling it can actually affect more than just nVidia, especially on newer hardware.

Here is a new ISO:

https://axrt.org/development/AROS-20201110-D15-pc-i386-boot-iso.zip

Please test on your hardware, especially nVidia cards, if all the device that worked with 20201110-1 release are still working.
@AMIGASYSTEM the D15 ISO should now boot on your Dell Mini

Please don't integrated this ISO into your distributions. If tests turn out ok, I will prepare a patch package.

My nvidia pci-e work with this iso, apply the patch deadwood?
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on March 07, 2023, 04:49:08 PM
No, the ISO "https://axrt.org/development/AROS-20201110-D15-pc-i386-boot-iso.zip" is just for testing, you don't have to use it in the distribution, the fixes introduced in this ISO are included in the patch attached today by deadwood, this one:

---- ITA ----

No, la ISO "https://axrt.org/development/AROS-20201110-D15-pc-i386-boot-iso.zip" è solo per fare dei test, non la devi usare nella distribuzione, i fix introdotti in questa ISO sono inclusi nella patch allegata oggi da deadwood, questa:

https://axrt.org/development/20201110-PATCH-D3.zip
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: Amiwell on March 07, 2023, 05:00:14 PM
I haven't included anything yet thanks :)
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: ncafferkey on March 07, 2023, 08:57:55 PM
I found a regression with D15 compared to D14. My Dell Precision T7500 workstation and Inspiron 6400 laptop both hang at "[Kernel:APIC-IA32] MSI Interrupts Allocatable". They boot if I use noioapic.

The PCI-E nVidia graphics do work on the T7500 though (with noioapic), including ScreenMode prefs.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: deadwood on March 07, 2023, 11:22:30 PM
Thanks for the Patch, at the moment I haven't encountered any problems with programs that use Toolbar.mcc, if one happens I will report it to you.

Ok, thanks. The window of regression was quite narrow (2021-04 till now) - only programs compiled in that window will have problems. Hopefully none of those programs used Toolbar.mcc.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: deadwood on March 07, 2023, 11:31:51 PM
I found a regression with D15 compared to D14. My Dell Precision T7500 workstation and Inspiron 6400 laptop both hang at "[Kernel:APIC-IA32] MSI Interrupts Allocatable". They boot if I use noioapic.

The PCI-E nVidia graphics do work on the T7500 though (with noioapic), including ScreenMode prefs.

Damn, that's a shame. I was hoping this was the last bug... D14 had "noioapic" hardcoded, so that's why it worked for you I guess. I have access to some Dell laptops so I will try how ISO boots on them. Is the photo taken from booting in VESA mode or native mode? If native, can you also try VESA? Can you also boot linux on them, do 'lspci -v" and share the output.

EDIT: Also, are you booting from a device that under 'lspci -v' lists IRQ < 24?

@AMIGASYSTEM, @Amiwell

It would probably make sense to copy of grub configuration line for native drivers with "noioapic" option added, so that people who experience problems have a workaround.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on March 08, 2023, 01:30:45 AM
Thanks deadwood I will add in the Grub of AROS One "noioapic", although my PCs don't change anything if I add "noioapic"

With ACER ASpire 5920 laptop (NVIDIA GeForce 8600M GS/GT), i keep getting a black screen even though I use "noioapic"
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: deadwood on March 08, 2023, 05:03:58 AM
Hi All,

I'm now moving onto Reboot/Shutdown problem (https://github.com/deadw00d/AROS/issues/87). I would like you to test on your hardware:

- please use D15 ISO, use noioapic switch is necessary to boot
- use VESA mode only, no native graphics
- minimize the amount hardware connected to your computer - if possible just keyboard and mouse
- use only shell Shutdown or Reboot commands, nothing else and describe the behavior
- list hardware you are using, computer model or motherboard model

1) Shutdown:
- computer shuts down OR
- computer displays screen telling to use Power button OR
- computer screen goes black, nothing happens

2) Reboot cold
- computer reboots OR
- computer screen goes black, nothing happens

3) Reboot
- AROS reboots without rebooting computer OR
- computer reboots
- computer screen goes black, nothing happens
- computer screen freezes, nothing happens
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: paolone on March 08, 2023, 07:07:46 AM
Ok, I am testing this under Vmware Workstation Player 17 (the program once called just 'player').


Shutdown shell command, VESA video mode:


1) shutdown -> works correctly and closes VMware window as well


2) reboot cold -> KO, it still closes VMware window (acqually shutting down the VM instead of rebooting it)


3) reboot -> KO, black screen




Just for more information, Shutdown shell command, NATIVE VMare driver:


1) same as VESA
2) same as VESA
3) no black screen, AROS just freezes
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on March 08, 2023, 07:46:53 AM
- VMWare
-  Reboot: The computer screen goes black, nothing happens
-  Reboot Cold: Quit VMWare
-  Shutdown: First show quickly "Please Turn of your system using the power switch" e poi Quit VMWare

-  Netbook ACER Aspire One ZG5 (Intel GMA Mobile 945SE)
-  Reboot: The computer screen goes black, nothing happens
-  Reboot Cold: Displays "Please Turn of your system using the power switch
-  Shutdown: Displays "Please Turn of your system using the power switch"

-  Netbook Dell Inspiron Mini 910 (IntelGMA 945GSE)
-  Reboot: Reboot the PC (Cold reboot, but then it crashes on the initial Dell logo)
-  Reboot Cold: Reboot the PC (Cold reboot, but then it crashes on the initial Dell logo)
-  Shutdown: Displays "Please Turn of your system using the power switch

-  Laptop ACER ASpire 5920 laptop (NVIDIA GeForce 8600M GS/GT
-  Reboot: Reboot the PC (Cold Reboot)
-  Reboot Cold: Reboot the PC (Cold Reboot)
-  Shutdown: Displays "Please Turn of your system using the power switch


- Laptop CDC Dual Video Card "NVIDEA NV43M (GeForce Go 6600)" and "Intel GMA Mobile 915GM/GMS 910GML" - Test done with both Video Cards.
-  Reboot: Reboot the PC (Cold Reboot)
-  Reboot Cold: Reboot the PC (Cold Reboot)
-  Shutdown: Displays "Please Turn of your system using the power switch

-  Laptop Samsung R730 (Intel GMA 4500M)
-  Laptop ACER ASpire 5920 laptop (NVIDIA GeForce 8600M GS/GT
-  Reboot: Reboot the PC (Cold Reboot)
-  Reboot Cold: Riavvia il PC Reboot the PC (Cold Reboot)
-  Shutdown: Displays "Please Turn of your system using the power switch

Laptop Samsung R730 -> Never worked Mouse and Intel GMA 4500M Video Card
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: deadwood on March 08, 2023, 10:01:12 AM
@paolone, @AMIGASYSTEM

Thanks for the tests.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: ncafferkey on March 08, 2023, 02:12:35 PM
I found a regression with D15 compared to D14. My Dell Precision T7500 workstation and Inspiron 6400 laptop both hang at "[Kernel:APIC-IA32] MSI Interrupts Allocatable". They boot if I use noioapic.

The PCI-E nVidia graphics do work on the T7500 though (with noioapic), including ScreenMode prefs.

Damn, that's a shame. I was hoping this was the last bug... D14 had "noioapic" hardcoded, so that's why it worked for you I guess. I have access to some Dell laptops so I will try how ISO boots on them. Is the photo taken from booting in VESA mode or native mode? If native, can you also try VESA? Can you also boot linux on them, do 'lspci -v" and share the output.

EDIT: Also, are you booting from a device that under 'lspci -v' lists IRQ < 24?

The photo is from VESA mode on the T7500, but the same thing happens with native mode. I've attached the output from lspci.

For the IRQ question, I'm booting from USB and my EHCI devices for the T7500 are listed as having IRQs 5 and 9 under Linux (note that I had to boot Mint Linux in "compatibility mode", so I'm not sure if that affected the IRQs).
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: ncafferkey on March 08, 2023, 08:24:18 PM

-  Netbook Dell Inspiron Mini 910 (IntelGMA 945GSE)
-  Reboot: Reboot the PC (Cold reboot, but then it crashes on the initial Dell logo)
-  Reboot Cold: Reboot the PC (Cold reboot, but then it crashes on the initial Dell logo)
-  Shutdown: Displays "Please Turn of your system using the power switch

Getting stuck on the Dell logo could be a BIOS bug. I have a Dell laptop that does this, even when rebooting Windows.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: ncafferkey on March 08, 2023, 08:50:04 PM
My reboot tests:

ShutdownReboot COLDReboot
Toshiba NB 550D:turns offturns offcold reboots
Dell Inspiron 6400:power screencold rebootswarm reboots
Dell Latitude 3330:turns offcold rebootscold reboots
Dell Latitude D630:power screencold rebootswarm reboots
HP Compaq 6710b:power screencold rebootscold reboots
HP Compaq nc6320:power screencold rebootscold reboots
Fujitsu-Siemens Amilo Li 1718:power screencold rebootscold reboots

("power screen" = "Please turn off your computer...")
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: deadwood on March 09, 2023, 04:43:05 AM
For the IRQ question, I'm booting from USB and my EHCI devices for the T7500 are listed as having IRQs 5 and 9 under Linux (note that I had to boot Mint Linux in "compatibility mode", so I'm not sure if that affected the IRQs).

Ok, I see from output that USB is attached to first IO-APIC in both case, so my theory is not valid. As mentioned, I will try with some Dell laptops that I have access to to see if you I reproduce.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: deadwood on March 09, 2023, 04:49:04 AM
@ncafferkey

Thanks for tests.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: ntromans on March 09, 2023, 04:45:02 PM
Firstly, apologies for coming late to the current round of testing.

Testing for shutdown & rebbot with teh D15 iso. At the moment this has been tried with Samsung n130 netbook and HP EliteBook 8470p, same results for both:

Shutdown - displays screen telling to use Power button OR

Reboot cold - reboots from BIOS

Reboot - reboots AROS only

Cheers,
Nigel.

P.S. Issue with Samsung's trackpad not being recognised is still present with this ISO.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: ntromans on March 09, 2023, 04:53:48 PM
[snip]

Laptop Samsung R730 -> Never worked Mouse and Intel GMA 4500M Video Card

When you say " Never worked Mouse..." is that the trackpad not being recognised? Maybe same issue as my Samsung netbook (fixed by using a very old version of i8042.hidd)?

Cheers,
Nigel.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on March 09, 2023, 05:12:06 PM
If I remember correctly it didn't work with the old buids either, can you attach your version of i8042.hidd here so I can do some testing !

The Wireless Mouse however works well
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: ntromans on March 10, 2023, 02:33:01 PM
If I remember correctly it didn't work with the old buids either, can you attach your version of i8042.hidd here so I can do some testing !

The Wireless Mouse however works well

Please see attached,

Cheers,
Nigel.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on March 10, 2023, 03:12:49 PM
Thanks, with the old version "i8042.hidd" you attached the Trackpad (Touchpad) of my Samsung R730 Laptop works fine ;)
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: deadwood on March 11, 2023, 12:25:19 AM
@ntromans

Thanks!
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20200413 Development
Post by: deadwood on March 19, 2023, 09:50:19 AM
I found out that the problem with the Eee PC is different from what I originally thought. When I disable ATA, boot gets stuck on the "Waiting for bootable media" screen. So it seems AROS can't see the USB stick and I think that previously it was trying to boot from an old, incompatible AROS installation on the SSD from that point, resulting in the guru I posted earlier.

However, there now instead seems to be a USB regression on this machine, since AROS can't see USB sticks (nor possibly any USB devices or host interfaces). I've tried two different models of USB stick BTW. USB isn't seen when I add noacpi and/or noioapic either.

FYI: I tried all the hardware I have and none of them has USB regression. On some Dell laptops "cats eyes" flash for a second or two during WARM reboot, but USB boot eventually works. I never got "cats eyes" on COLD start. I'm unable to address the Eee PC regresion.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: deadwood on March 19, 2023, 09:53:47 AM
I found a regression with D15 compared to D14. My Dell Precision T7500 workstation and Inspiron 6400 laptop both hang at "[Kernel:APIC-IA32] MSI Interrupts Allocatable". They boot if I use noioapic.

I tried on the Dell hardware I have: Latitude E6410 and E6430. In both cases the default boot (using IO-APIC) and with 'noioapic' options succeed. I won't be able to handle this problem.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: deadwood on March 19, 2023, 10:01:09 AM
A followup on problems with reboot, please try this kernel: https://axrt.org/development/kernel-20230319.gz

Rename to kernel.gz and overwrite existing file in Arch/pc

This possibly solves Reboot (warm reboot) on default configuration (VESA 1024x768 etc). I confirmed it solves warm reboot under VirtualBox and QEMU

Please use the same hardware/same configuration as previously. No need to test Shutdown and Reboot Cold. Test only Reboot.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: Amiwell on March 19, 2023, 12:18:45 PM
in my configuration rastart computer works, also restart aros sorry do not understand warm or cold reboot
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: ncafferkey on March 19, 2023, 04:43:58 PM
in my configuration rastart computer works, also restart aros sorry do not understand warm or cold reboot

Earlier in this thread, Deadwood asked that we test reboot/shutdown using shell comands, i.e. "Shutdown", "Reboot" (reboot AROS) and "Reboot COLD" (reboot computer).
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: ncafferkey on March 19, 2023, 07:00:37 PM
Warm reboot tests with new kernel (2023-03-19):

Previous kernelNew kernel
Toshiba NB 550D:cold rebootswarm reboots
Dell Inspiron 6400:warm rebootswarm reboots
Dell Latitude 3330:cold rebootswarm reboots (eyes shown)
Dell Latitude D630:warm rebootswarm reboots
HP Compaq 6710b:cold rebootswarm reboots
HP Compaq nc6320:cold rebootshangs (black screen)*
Fujitsu-Siemens Amilo Li 1718:cold rebootstoo unstable to test

* warm reboots if noioapic is used.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on March 19, 2023, 07:20:14 PM
in my configuration rastart computer works, also restart aros sorry do not understand warm or cold reboot


You need to type from a Shell the following commands:

Reboot (Cold reboot, means nothing remains in memory)
Reboot Cold (Warm reboot, something remains in memory, for example the famous RAD)
Shut Down (Shut down, power interruption)

Restart (Shut down, power supply is temporarily interrupted) -> This command does not exist on AROS


---- Italiano -----

Devi digitare da una Shell i seguenti comandi:

Reboot (Riavvio a freddo, significa che non resta nulla in memoria)
Reboot Cold (Riavvio a caldo, resta qualcosa in memoria, per esempio il famoso RAD)
Shut Down (Spegnimento, interruzione alimentazione)

Restart (Spegnimento, l'alimentazione viene temporaneamente interrotta) -> Questo comando non esiste su AROS
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: ncafferkey on March 19, 2023, 08:34:00 PM
in my configuration rastart computer works, also restart aros sorry do not understand warm or cold reboot


You need to type from a Shell the following commands:

Reboot (Cold reboot, means nothing remains in memory)
Reboot Cold (Warm reboot, something remains in memory, for example the famous RAD)
Shut Down (Shut down, power interruption)

Restart (Shut down, power supply is temporarily interrupted) -> This command does not exist on AROS


---- Italiano -----

Devi digitare da una Shell i seguenti comandi:

Reboot (Riavvio a freddo, significa che non resta nulla in memoria)
Reboot Cold (Riavvio a caldo, resta qualcosa in memoria, per esempio il famoso RAD)
Shut Down (Spegnimento, interruzione alimentazione)

Restart (Spegnimento, l'alimentazione viene temporaneamente interrotta) -> Questo comando non esiste su AROS

You got "Reboot" and "Reboot COLD" the wrong way around, and "Shut Down" won't work with a space in it. I already replied with similar information in any case.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: deadwood on March 20, 2023, 12:13:48 AM
Warm reboot tests with new kernel (2023-03-19):

Previous kernelNew kernel
Toshiba NB 550D:cold rebootswarm reboots
Dell Inspiron 6400:warm rebootswarm reboots
Dell Latitude 3330:cold rebootswarm reboots (eyes shown)
Dell Latitude D630:warm rebootswarm reboots
HP Compaq 6710b:cold rebootswarm reboots
HP Compaq nc6320:cold rebootshangs (black screen)*
Fujitsu-Siemens Amilo Li 1718:cold rebootstoo unstable to test

* warm reboots if noioapic is used.

Thanks! With Dell Latitude 3330 I assume "eyes shown" means that eyes are shown for a few seconds but then the warm boot continues and works correctly?
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on March 20, 2023, 02:55:04 AM

You got "Reboot" and "Reboot COLD" the wrong way around, and "Shut Down" won't work with a space in it. I already replied with similar information in any case.

ncafferkey, mine is not a test, I just explained the meaning of the commands to user Amiwell  ;D
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on March 20, 2023, 04:58:53 AM
Test New kernel-20230319

VMWare v7
-  Reboot: The computer screen goes black, nothing happens
-  Reboot Cold: Quit VMWare
-  Shutdown: Quit VMWare

Netbook ACER Aspire One ZG5 (Intel GMA Mobile 945SE)
-  Reboot: OK, It works well, restart the AROS
-  Reboot Cold: Displays "Please Turn of your system using the power switch
-  Shutdown: Displays "Please Turn of your system using the power switch"

Laptop ACER ASpire 5920 laptop (NVIDIA GeForce 8600M GS/GT
-  Reboot: The computer screen goes black, nothing happens
-  Reboot Cold: OK, It works well, restart the PC
-  Shutdown: Displays "Please Turn of your system using the power switch

Laptop CDC Dual Video Card "NVIDEA NV43M (GeForce Go 6600)" and "Intel GMA Mobile 915GM/GMS 910GML" - Test done with both Video Cards..
-  Reboot: The computer screen goes black, nothing happens
-  Reboot Cold: OK, It works well, restart the PC
-  Shutdown: Displays "Please Turn of your system using the power switch
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: Amiwell on March 20, 2023, 06:20:07 AM
ok in my system hp z400 workstation all command works fine :)

reboot ok works
reboot cold ok works
shutdown ok works an image appears telling me you can turn off the computer
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: ncafferkey on March 20, 2023, 09:11:52 AM
Warm reboot tests with new kernel (2023-03-19):

Previous kernelNew kernel
Toshiba NB 550D:cold rebootswarm reboots
Dell Inspiron 6400:warm rebootswarm reboots
Dell Latitude 3330:cold rebootswarm reboots (eyes shown)
Dell Latitude D630:warm rebootswarm reboots
HP Compaq 6710b:cold rebootswarm reboots
HP Compaq nc6320:cold rebootshangs (black screen)*
Fujitsu-Siemens Amilo Li 1718:cold rebootstoo unstable to test

* warm reboots if noioapic is used.

Thanks! With Dell Latitude 3330 I assume "eyes shown" means that eyes are shown for a few seconds but then the warm boot continues and works correctly?

That's correct. Note also that the instability in the last machine appears to be caused directly by the new kernel.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: paolone on March 20, 2023, 10:03:00 AM
Vmware Player 17:


reboot (warm) ---> black screen in vmware window, nothing more happens guest side. VMware Player still running.
reboot cold ---> vmware player closes (still KO like before)
shutdown --> correct shutdown behavior (still OK like before)


In a nutshell: nothing changed on vmware.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: deadwood on March 20, 2023, 10:16:10 AM
Too bad, I was hoping VMWare could also be fixed since VirtualBox and Qemu got fixed. Unfortunately it will have to stay this way for now.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: deadwood on March 20, 2023, 02:11:02 PM
Hello,

4th patch package: https://axrt.org/development/20201110-PATCH-D4.zip

PATCH-D4:
  - Prefs/ScreenMode crash on nVidia cards
  - fat-handler now recognizes certain Linux-formatted partitions
  - Prefs/Wanderer window width decrease
  - Synchronize stat.h header with other headers (NO_POSIX_COMMON)
  - kernel needs IOAPIC disabled for nVidia PCI-E cards to work
  - https://github.com/deadw00d/AROS/issues/88
  - DiskimageGUI crash
  - AmiGG does not start with GIFAnim (no change needed in AROS)
  - Programs using Toolbar.mcc crash (*)
  - ACPI Reboot/Shutdown on VMs (fixed were possible for now)
  - https://github.com/deadw00d/AROS/issues/86 (Tipografia)

Wont-fix:
  - Acer Aspire One / Eepc USB problems (not having hardware showing those problems)
  - not booting on Dell Precision T7500 workstation and Dell Inspiron 6400 laptop (workaround by using 'noioapic') (not having hardware showing those problems)


This concludes the open topics. Please test the included muimaster.library. It fixes Tipografia and hopefully does not break other software.

Due to large number of changes, I will make official 20201110-2 release in coming days, which will close this development cycle.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: Amiwell on March 20, 2023, 05:34:52 PM
Thank you deadwood
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on March 20, 2023, 05:45:43 PM

Due to large number of changes, I will make official 20201110-2 release in coming days, which will close this development cycle.

As soon as this development cycle closes, we will begin final testing and the distribution of AROS One v2.0
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: ncafferkey on March 20, 2023, 07:19:00 PM
Thanks Deadwood. Just wondering, will broadcom4400.device be included in the updated release?
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: Amiwell on March 20, 2023, 08:20:53 PM
no Neil
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: deadwood on March 20, 2023, 11:30:09 PM
Thanks Deadwood. Just wondering, will broadcom4400.device be included in the updated release?

Yes. I see it is building, so it will be included in release ISO.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: nikos on March 21, 2023, 07:54:35 AM
I tried patch 4 and to make it my DELL Latitude D520 boot I had to disable ACPI.
When I press Power button AROS shot down at once and warm reboot work. Nice  :D Thanks!
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on March 21, 2023, 09:52:43 AM

This concludes the open topics. Please test the included muimaster.library. It fixes Tipografia and hopefully does not break other software.

Thanks deadwood, Typography works fine, more tarti I will try to create something and save as PDF, will report the fix to the developer as well.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on March 21, 2023, 12:55:52 PM
Ok Tipografia worked well also saving to PDF worked well |
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on March 21, 2023, 04:07:23 PM
deadwood, the bug I reported to you yesterday for "ABV11" is also present on AROS ABIv0

Basically, "all executables" in the "System/Wanderer/Tools" folder, if no icon is present, are no longer executable or work poorly, "DiskInfo" does not show Icon information, "WBNewDrawer" does not allow you to create a new folder, "WBRename", does not allow you to rename a file, I believe "Info", "ExecuteStartup" and "ExecuteCommand" also do not work as they should.

I attach a small video showing the problems with "DiskInfo" and "WBNewDrawer"


https://drive.google.com/file/d/18pVa7eO6Q1tyamL0XvVbsib9U3Ai-pbq/view?usp=share_link
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: deadwood on March 22, 2023, 12:15:56 AM
deadwood, the bug I reported to you yesterday for "ABV11" is also present on AROS ABIv0

Basically, "all executables" in the "System/Wanderer/Tools" folder, if no icon is present, are no longer executable or work poorly, "DiskInfo" does not show Icon information, "WBNewDrawer" does not allow you to create a new folder, "WBRename", does not allow you to rename a file, I believe "Info", "ExecuteStartup" and "ExecuteCommand" also do not work as they should.


Thanks for reposting. What I see is that this is also happening with reference release 20190416. I recorded the bug and may look at it when working on next release.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: deadwood on March 22, 2023, 11:54:27 AM
Here are release builds:

https://axrt.org/download/aros/v0/AROS-20201110-2-pc-i386-boot-iso.zip
https://axrt.org/download/aros/v0/AROS-20201110-2-any-i386-contrib.tar.bz2
https://axrt.org/download/aros/v0/AROS-20201110-2-linux-i386-system.tar.bz2
https://axrt.org/download/aros/v0/AROS-20201110-2-mingw32-i386-system.tar.bz2

Change log:
Code: [Select]
AROS ABIv0 20201110-2 changes:

  Functionalities:
    Added broadcom4400.device network driver (Neil)
    Extensions to IO-APIC support (Kalamatee)
    Extensions to interrupt handling (Kalamatee)
    Make native kernel more reselient in case of early error (deadwood)

  64-bit support:

  68k support:

  ARM support:

  Updates:

  Functional fixes:
    fat-handler (Kalamatee, deadwood)
    Prefs/Wanderer (bugs: window too wide) (Matthias Rustler)
    GCC (bugs: sometimes generates non-loadable executables) (deadwood)
    Kernel (bugs: wrong configuration of IRQ pins in IO-APIC) (deadwood)
    Workaround for WARM reboot (deadwood)
    Area.mui (bugs: events sent when not expected to) (deadwood)
    Toolbar.mcc (bugs: broken binary compatibility) (deadwood)

  Stability fixes:
    Prefs/ScreenMode (deadwood)
    DiskImageGUI (Kalamatee)


Unless some major problems are found, I will make the release official on Friday.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: Amiwell on March 22, 2023, 12:13:45 PM
ok deadwood thank you :)
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on March 22, 2023, 12:28:04 PM
Thanks deadwood, I can now proceed for the integration of this ISO on the new AROS One v2.0, which will probably be released in the coming weeks, after the various tests on ISO and USB Image on both VMware and native PC.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: deadwood on March 24, 2023, 04:29:58 AM
Hi All,

The release is now available:
https://axrt.org/release-notes?id=aros-abiv0-20201110-2
https://github.com/deadw00d/AROS/releases/tag/ABIv0_20201110-2

With this action the development cycle for this release closes. There might be future fixes on a component level which will be announced in this thread. Thank you everyone who helped with testing - this all made this release better!

Enjoy this new version of AROS. :)


Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on March 24, 2023, 04:39:24 AM
deadwood, what has changed from the AROS-20201110-2 posted by you on Wednesday ?
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: deadwood on March 24, 2023, 05:38:12 AM
Nothing, these are the same ISOs. I made them public today.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on March 27, 2023, 12:41:55 AM
deadwood, with ABIv0 20201110 if I install AmiSSL, a Guru appears when I run AmiFox several times, after I go to Youtube or other sites.

ALB42 does not have this Guru on its Linux hosted version, I don't know which version it uses.

I monitored the Guru with "Sashimi," and found that the Guru appears as soon as the "intuition.library" is loaded
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on March 27, 2023, 03:53:30 AM
I would like to do some testing of AmiFox with ABIv0 20201110 "hosted Linux" with VMware, but I cannot configure the network.

Could someone tell me on Host Linux how to configure the network on VMware side and AROS side?
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on March 27, 2023, 02:39:13 PM
Also on VirualBox AmiFox 3 goes to Guru if you run it "several times", after visiting sites like of Youtube, Google etc..

The Guru appears even with older versions of ABIv0, the Guru seems to appear only with AROS ABIv0.

ALB told me that even with the version "ABIv0 2020111 host Linux" the guru does not appear

I will try to do some tests on native AROS ABIv0 on PC.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on March 27, 2023, 03:13:19 PM
Tested on Real PC with Native AROS, and the Guru appears, see screenshot!
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: nikos on March 31, 2023, 12:48:05 AM
Also on VirualBox AmiFox 3 goes to Guru if you run it "several times", after visiting sites like of Youtube, Google etc..

The Guru appears even with older versions of ABIv0, the Guru seems to appear only with AROS ABIv0.

ALB told me that even with the version "ABIv0 2020111 host Linux" the guru does not appear

I will try to do some tests on native AROS ABIv0 on PC.

Interesting that Linux hosted give no Guru. I can confirm that AmiFox is very unstable native. I only tried latest Deadwood builds with the program.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on March 31, 2023, 01:46:49 AM
I haven't tested the hosted Linux version of AmiFox, because I can't configure the Network, if someone gives me directions I can confirm that it doesn't happen, yesterday the same Guru also appeared with AROS 68k, although after many tests.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on March 31, 2023, 03:12:44 AM
deadwood, input preferences does not work, it seems that no language I tested can be set and saved !
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: deadwood on March 31, 2023, 03:22:38 AM
Can you record a video showing what is the problem?
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on March 31, 2023, 03:54:19 AM
Basically if I set the Italian keyboard, the keys do not change it always remains the English one, is no there are Italian special characters, ditto with the French keyboard.

Also looking at the input.prefs preference file, I notice that inside there is "usa" and not "I"

As soon as I get home I will make a video with an OS3/AROS comparison to show the problem.

Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: pixie on March 31, 2023, 05:31:35 AM
AROS-20201110-2-pc-i386-boot-iso
ABI: V0

It is lacking pt keyboard (amongst many others).
On my Ryzen 3300X with Nvidia 2070 super it hangs on the "waiting for media screen"
On vmware it works nicely
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: deadwood on March 31, 2023, 05:46:42 AM
@pixie

Try changing your BIOS settings from SATA to ATA
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: deadwood on March 31, 2023, 05:50:18 AM
@AMIGASYSTEM

Something is wrong with keyboards, I can only see 3 with default build.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on March 31, 2023, 06:05:57 AM
Yes in the latest Builds there are only 2 keyboards, I on AROS One use the ones from "AROS-20200108-D10", are they not supported anymore?
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: deadwood on March 31, 2023, 06:06:52 AM
I think something got broken. I need to review that.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: pixie on March 31, 2023, 08:06:10 AM
Try changing your BIOS settings from SATA to ATA
The system is on the USB Pen, besides I cannot pick between SATA anda ATA, when I go to BIOS it just let me switch between AHCI and RAID.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: pixie on March 31, 2023, 08:26:14 AM
Trojan Alert on AROS-20201110-2-pc-i386-boot-iso (https://u.pcloud.link/publink/show?code=XZLe5wVZ5AkFWhBYmFQLPqmpPQohtXL0T2N7)
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: deadwood on March 31, 2023, 09:22:48 AM
You got this alert when after decompressing the zip file?
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: deadwood on March 31, 2023, 11:12:58 AM
Yes in the latest Builds there are only 2 keyboards, I on AROS One use the ones from "AROS-20200108-D10", are they not supported anymore?

Please use this version of kms.library: https://axrt.org/development/kms.library.i386.zip

With it, I was able to load and use Polish keymap taken from 20190416-2 release.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: pixie on March 31, 2023, 11:30:16 AM
You got this alert when after decompressing the zip file?

Yes, I was searching for vmwaresvga.hidd
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: deadwood on March 31, 2023, 11:33:55 AM
You got this alert when after decompressing the zip file?

Yes, I was searching for vmwaresvga.hidd

Can you check this zip? https://axrt.org/development/test.zip

This is the contents of ISO minus a few data directories. I ran it through virustotal.com and nothing was found.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on March 31, 2023, 12:02:56 PM
Thanks deadwood,with this library now input Preferences works fine, the keyboard Italian now works perfectly.

For those who may need it, I have created a small update for AROS One v2.0, which via Installer will replace the kms.library and install OpenURL.prefs for OpenUrl to work properly.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: pixie on March 31, 2023, 12:46:52 PM
Can you check this zip? https://axrt.org/development/test.zip

This is the contents of ISO minus a few data directories. I ran it through virustotal.com and nothing was found.

It didn't show anything...
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on March 31, 2023, 02:13:31 PM
It didn't show anything...

What are you referring to ?
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: miker1264 on March 31, 2023, 07:06:07 PM
Thanks deadwood,with this library now input Preferences works fine, the keyboard Italian now works perfectly.

For those who may need it, I have created a small update for AROS One v2.0, which via Installer will replace the kms.library and install OpenURL.prefs for OpenUrl to work properly.

Keyboard layouts are important. It can be annoying when they don't work.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on April 01, 2023, 01:07:13 AM
Yes is very important when you have to write something that includes fonts that do not exist in other languages.

The update for AROS One v2.0 is available here:

https://ae.amigalife.org/index.php?topic=773.msg15582#new

Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: pixie on April 01, 2023, 01:27:41 AM
One thing I've noticed in this build and on aros one also is that I cannot move/copy files on wanderer. I've tried to copy some commodities to wbstartup and it always throws me an error
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on April 01, 2023, 02:09:59 AM
In which Build are you unable to copy/move?
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: pixie on April 01, 2023, 04:37:05 AM
In which Build are you unable to copy/move?
Latest ones
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: pixie on April 03, 2023, 01:51:09 AM
AROS x86 (https://u.pcloud.link/publink/show?code=XZVmQwVZOrScBD1gosXBauYk5zK0t8IcmydV)
AROS 68k (https://u.pcloud.link/publink/show?code=XZHmQwVZ45FvcMuzFwzym0Fx8c54QFeuQoMy)
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on April 03, 2023, 03:03:19 AM
pixie, I explained HERE (https://ae.amigalife.org/index.php?topic=783.msg15625#new) why you can't move files or folders in the WBStartup, it seems to be a problem with the SFS Filesystem, in the attached link there are 3 solutions to solve, simpler for AROS 68K
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: deadwood on April 04, 2023, 05:08:15 AM
Hi All,

Here is a development version of muimaster.library: https://axrt.org/development/muimaster.library.19.55-i386.zip

It contains a few changes that makes it more compatible for MUI and is needed for WCS. However these changes can break existing applications. Changes influence string, cycle and checkbox gadgets. Please let me know if you experience any regressions with this version compared to the one from 20201110-2 version.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: Amiwell on April 04, 2023, 05:30:06 AM
thanks dedwood WCS is great software :)
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on April 04, 2023, 05:58:42 AM
deadwood I have done some on the fly testing with some MUI/Zune apps, and have not encountered any problems with this new muimaster.library, is there any particular app where it is possible to encounter problems ? testing continues !

I tried downloading the latest contrib 68k version, but the GCC binaries always come up as "not executable" !
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: deadwood on April 04, 2023, 06:13:09 AM
deadwood I have done some on the fly testing with some MUI/Zune apps, and have not encountered any problems with this new muimaster.library, is there any particular app where it is possible to encounter problems ? testing continues !

Unfortunatelly I don't know any applications that have a high chance of problems. They can pop up at any application, but the changes are higher for applications that were initially developed using Zune and not MUI.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: OlafS3 on April 04, 2023, 07:57:37 AM
deadwood I have done some on the fly testing with some MUI/Zune apps, and have not encountered any problems with this new muimaster.library, is there any particular app where it is possible to encounter problems ? testing continues !

Unfortunatelly I don't know any applications that have a high chance of problems. They can pop up at any application, but the changes are higher for applications that were initially developed using Zune and not MUI.

is there also a version for 68k? Aros 68k would benefit of it because there are a number of applications on 68k that use MUI
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: deadwood on April 04, 2023, 08:01:20 AM
is there also a version for 68k? Aros 68k would benefit of it because there are a number of applications on 68k that use MUI

Take the latest build from here: https://build.axrt.org/download/builds/AROS-M68K/

Alternatively, tomorrows AROS nightly build on www.aros.org will have those changes as well.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: OlafS3 on April 04, 2023, 08:08:51 AM
thanx
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: terminills on April 04, 2023, 04:08:39 PM
is there also a version for 68k? Aros 68k would benefit of it because there are a number of applications on 68k that use MUI

Take the latest build from here: https://build.axrt.org/download/builds/AROS-M68K/

Alternatively, tomorrows AROS nightly build on www.aros.org will have those changes as well.

Congrats on the commit dump that was a lot of work from reading it. :D
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: deadwood on April 04, 2023, 11:26:00 PM
Thx :)
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: pixie on April 05, 2023, 02:06:01 AM
is there also a version for 68k? Aros 68k would benefit of it because there are a number of applications on 68k that use MUI

Take the latest build from here: https://build.axrt.org/download/builds/AROS-M68K/

Alternatively, tomorrows AROS nightly build on www.aros.org will have those changes as well.

When I use the "AROS-20230405-amiga-m68k-boot-floppy" it asks me for "AROS Live CD" volume, I thought it was a self contained disk.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on April 05, 2023, 03:13:59 AM
AROS-20230405-amiga-m68k-boot-floppy that automatixamente mounts the AROS CD, basically it is an "Emergency-Boot floppy", which is used to restore AROS.

If you ignore the message the floppy Emergency-Boot can be used normally, although there is little room in the Floppy,.

In any case already the Roms alone are sufficient to floppy-boot OS3 Games or Programs.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: pixie on April 05, 2023, 08:22:45 AM
Take the latest build from here: https://build.axrt.org/download/builds/AROS-M68K/

I get some issues with the graphics, any suggestions?
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: deadwood on April 05, 2023, 09:49:43 AM
You seem to be running out of RAM. Wanderer shows just 160 kb of "other mem"
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on April 05, 2023, 10:07:39 AM
Take the latest build from here: https://build.axrt.org/download/builds/AROS-M68K/

I get some issues with the graphics, any suggestions?

Are you using WinUAE ! with any configuration? can you attach your UAE config.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: pixie on April 05, 2023, 01:16:11 PM
Are you using WinUAE ! with any configuration? can you attach your UAE config.
Sure!
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on April 05, 2023, 02:29:40 PM
Your UAE configuration is fine for an Amiga 040, but it is not suitable for AROS, if you want to eliminate the graphics problem, and get a fast AROS 68k you have to configure WinUAE in this way:

CPU 060
FPU Internal
JIT Active
RAM Z3 Fast 512/1G
RAM CHIP 8MB
UAE Zorro III VRAM 512/1GB
HardFile formatted SFS
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: pixie on April 05, 2023, 03:58:37 PM
Your UAE configuration is fine for an Amiga 040, but it is not suitable for AROS, if you want to eliminate the graphics problem, and get a fast AROS 68k you have to configure WinUAE in this way:

CPU 060
FPU Internal
JIT Active
RAM Z3 Fast 512/1G
RAM CHIP 8MB
UAE Zorro III VRAM 512/1GB
HardFile formatted SFS
Do you think a 040 jit is somehow slower then 060 jit?
I find the reason for the graphical glitches, it was lacking fast ram. You see, one doesn't need that much chip ram because chip ram is used mainly for games, yet I am using RTG so it doesn't need that much, I had only 8Mb so when I increased it to 32Mb it all went fine.

PS- I was also using "opaque" commodity
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on April 05, 2023, 04:26:43 PM
Yes on WinUAE there was not much diference between 040 and 060 (with the new version of WinUAE a little difference now there is)

I recommend the 060 because that way you can use all OS3 software and libraries, if you use an 040 the "native" 060 applications and libraries will not work.

Settling for 32MB of RAM makes no sense, besides Games there are also Applications that may require more RAM.

Besides, RAM on WinUAE costs nothing, better to have excess than little.

Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: pixie on April 05, 2023, 04:41:49 PM

Quote
Yes on WinUAE there was not much diference between 040 and 060 (with the new version of WinUAE a little difference now there is)

I recommend the 060 because that way you can use all OS3 software and libraries, if you use an 040 the "native" 060 applications and libraries will not work.
You usually have them compiled for 040 also, I know because I went from vanilla to 040 to 060, I was used to get native libraries for each processor. Nowadays I don't even know if it makes sense all the hassle, I would have to see benchmarks.

Quote
Settling for 32MB of RAM makes no sense, besides Games there are also Applications that may require more RAM.
It makes sense if you want to see from which moment does glitch starts. Besides, in Amiga land you can do a lot with 32Mb, still it drawns a lot of memory for screen alone and windows, I confess I don't remember it ever being so, I had a bvision at the time...

Quote
Besides, RAM on WinUAE costs nothing, better to have excess than little.
Indeed, better safe then sorry! xD
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: cdimauro on April 07, 2023, 12:26:36 AM

Quote
Yes on WinUAE there was not much diference between 040 and 060 (with the new version of WinUAE a little difference now there is)

I recommend the 060 because that way you can use all OS3 software and libraries, if you use an 040 the "native" 060 applications and libraries will not work.
You usually have them compiled for 040 also, I know because I went from vanilla to 040 to 060, I was used to get native libraries for each processor. Nowadays I don't even know if it makes sense all the hassle, I would have to see benchmarks.
There should be little difference, but the best configuration should be 68030 + 68882 because it's the one where ALL instructions (besides CALLM/RTM, which were never used) are "executed" and don't call the trap handler.


68040 and 68060 had missing instructions whom execution invokes the very slow trap handler, which requires the execution of more instructions even using the JIT.


This doesn't happen if you have binaries which are specifically compiled for 68040 or 68060, of course, because there'll never be missing instructions executed (compilers had care to avoid generating them).


P.S. 68040 introduced a new instruction, MOVE16 (also available on 68060), but it looks like that there were bugs on some processors which makes it better to avoid its usage.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on April 07, 2023, 01:59:42 AM
Again you are only speaking from theory, we are talking about WinUAE not a real Amiga, with the 030 no JIT on WinUAE you don't do anything with it if you have to run AROS or run Porting or Amiga RTG systems.

---- Italiano -----

Anche qui parli solo per teoria, stiamo parlando di WinUAE non di una Amiga reale, con lo 030 no JIT non ci fai nulla su WinUAE se devi eseguire AROS o eseguire Porting o sistemi Amiga RTG.

Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: cdimauro on April 07, 2023, 02:04:11 AM
And again you lack basic English knowledge and understanding technical things.


What's not clear to you about this: "[size=0px] [/size][/color][/size][size=0px]which requires the execution of more instructions even using the JIT"?[/size]
[/size][/color]
Which real Amiga had a JIT?!?
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on April 07, 2023, 02:08:37 AM
Who said anything about Amiga with IT, I was talking about WinUAE, let's end it here, I won't answer your posts anymore

---- Italiano ----

Chi ha parlato di Amiga con IT, parlavo di WinUAE, finiamola qui, non risponderò più ai tuoi post
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: Amiwell on April 07, 2023, 06:12:56 AM
sorry you are ot :-\
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: cdimauro on April 07, 2023, 12:06:06 PM
Who said anything about Amiga with IT, I was talking about WinUAE, let's end it here, I won't answer your posts anymore

---- Italiano ----

Chi ha parlato di Amiga con IT, parlavo di WinUAE, finiamola qui, non risponderò più ai tuoi post
So you have problems also with reading simple text, since I've NOT written "IT".


In fact, I've written "JIT" = Just In Time (compiler). Which is NOT used on real Amigas (for obvious reasons!) but on emulators and, precisely... with WinUAE!


So, yes, I was (also) talking about emulators.


Now if you don't reply in general it's even better, since you clearly aren't able to read, understand, and neither you have technical knowledge about the things that you pretend to talk about.


/OT
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on April 07, 2023, 12:11:25 PM
As said I will not reply to your posts anymore, and I ask you not to dirty my posts anymore !

I ask an admin to delete cdimauro's posts from my threads, otherwise I will be forced to leave this forum, thank you !
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: G-linx on April 07, 2023, 01:48:10 PM
From offering advice turning into personal derogatory comments? More wine and a good woman is needed me thinks!

@deadwood
Many thanks as always for everything you do.
I'm still playing catch up but I'll get there soon!

Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: deadwood on April 07, 2023, 02:43:13 PM
@G-linx

Glad you like the progress. Have fun with new releases.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: Amiwell on April 23, 2023, 05:02:04 AM

Please use this version of kms.library: https://axrt.org/development/kms.library.i386.zip

With it, I was able to load and use Polish keymap taken from 20190416-2 release.

thanks deadwood
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on April 23, 2023, 05:21:47 AM
deadwood, as already discussed, with the new fixed version of Wanderer Prefs, it is now possible on AROS x86 to move icons (Files and Folders) to Wanderer, but I noticed that moving cannot be done with 2 folders "Storage and WBStartup", errorre folders in Use.

From these two folders instead it is possible to do the opposite, i.e. move Files and Folders from "Storage and WBStartup" to other folders.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: deadwood on April 23, 2023, 06:04:59 AM
I guess something is holding a lock on them and thus you cannot move them. Why would you want to move them though? These are system directories - if you move them somewhere, you will have problems.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on April 23, 2023, 06:13:32 AM
They are also locked in the Build, mind you, I "don't want to move the WBStartup folder", but move a file to the WBstartup, which is important if you want to move something to the WBStartup or Storage !
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: deadwood on April 23, 2023, 10:52:21 AM
Ok, I understand. Bug report created: https://github.com/deadw00d/AROS/issues/100
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on April 23, 2023, 12:48:30 PM
Thanks, I add another big problem, many system applications present in "Prefs", "System" and other system folders are not localized in Italian, some are partially translated, some no translation !

In Local the Italian file catalogs are there but probably they are not updated or are incompatible !
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: deadwood on April 23, 2023, 01:49:06 PM
For translations it is best to contact Mazze. He manages the repositories that contain translations and I'm sure he'll welcome any help.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: Telematix on April 24, 2023, 03:58:41 AM
Only the files that match the version are used.
So, if the files are there and it seems that are not used it is because they are outdated (lower version than required) or they have messages that have not been translated (used but several messages have to be translated).

We can have a view of the required version and the one in the repository in the following page: https://github.com/aros-translation-team/translations/wiki/Progress (https://github.com/aros-translation-team/translations/wiki/Progress)
All the modules with a catalog version number in bold or with "n/a" are not translated.

Ps:
I have found that not all the repositories have the same catalog file version. I made several corrections weeks ago on the spanish catalogs and I do not see them on https://github.com/deadw00d/AROS. I suppose that it is because they have to be reloaded from https://github.com/aros-translation-team/translations.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on April 24, 2023, 05:01:44 AM
@deadwood

Fixed the location Italian problem, did some careful checking and noticed some file placement errors. Monitoring the "Wanderer.catalog" file, I noticed that this file is placed in the wrong/unrequired location "does not exist "

SYS:Locale/Catalogs/Italian/System/System/Wanderer.catalog

The correct/required position instead is this:

SYS:Locale/Catalogs/Italian/System/Prefs/Wanderer.catalog


@Telematix
Thanks for the information, but from test mentioned above, the wrong version should still work, even if some strings are not translated, see screenshot (probably new strings).

Taking "Wanderer.catalog" as an example, if I interpreted the tables correctly, it should require "version 4", while the currently installed Italian version is version "3.0"


EDIT:

The file Wanderer.catalog in question  "Wanderer.catalog "belongs to "Wanderer", so you need to find the missing file "Wanderer.catalog" for Wanderer Prefs .... which on AROS x86 does not exist !


(https://ae.amigalife.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1063.0;attach=4803;image)
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: Amiwell on April 24, 2023, 05:23:48 AM
thanks amigasystem :)
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: Telematix on April 24, 2023, 05:51:25 AM
"Wanderer prefs" catalog requires version 3 and the "Wanderer" one needs to be 4.
They have to be the same as defined on the file catalog_version.c of the module or they will not be used.

The italian catalog for the module "Wanderer prefs" is Version 3 so it is used (as shown on your picture), but the one for the wanderer module seems to be 3 and it is required to be 4. If I' m not mistaken, wanderer should appear in English when Italian is selected.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on April 24, 2023, 06:08:23 AM
Yes you are right "Wanderer.catalog "belongs to "Wanderer", so you need to find the missing file "Wanderer.catalog" for Wanderer Prefs .... which on AROS x86 does not exist ! (I have corrected my previous post )
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: deadwood on April 24, 2023, 07:05:13 AM
Italian catalog is not built for Prefs/Wanderer

https://github.com/deadw00d/AROS/blob/master/workbench/prefs/wanderer/catalogs/mmakefile.src

According to note in mmakefile.src it is not updated to latest version.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: Telematix on April 24, 2023, 07:25:43 AM
"Wanderer prefs" catalog requires version 3 and the "Wanderer" one needs to be 4.
They have to be the same as defined on the file catalog_version.c of the module or they will not be used.

The italian catalog for the module "Wanderer prefs" is Version 3 so it is used (as shown on your picture), but the one for the wanderer module seems to be 3 and it is required to be 4. If I' m not mistaken, wanderer should appear in English when Italian is selected.

I´m afraid that I was mistaken. The version of "Wanderer prefs" file is 1 (required 3) and "Wanderer" is 3 (4 required). None of them should have been built.
I don´t know why the prefs window is translated. Perhaps a previously compiled file has been copied to the catalog drawer?
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on April 24, 2023, 08:25:44 AM
@Telematix
The Italian Translation of Wanderer (Workbench) on AROS x86 has always worked fine.

On AROS 68k instead the file "Wanderer.catalog" included in the Build "is not recognized by the system", probably due to a file header error, in fact I corrected the header and now on AROS 68k the translation in Italian of Wanderer (Workbench) works fine !

@deadwood
How do I compile the source, and what file should I download, I don't see downloads!
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: deadwood on April 24, 2023, 09:40:27 AM
Here is the instruction on how to build sources:

https://github.com/deadw00d/AROS/blob/master/INSTALL.md

If you plan on updating catalogs, contact Mazze. They need to be updated in translations team and I will grab them from there.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on April 24, 2023, 10:49:26 AM
Thanks for the information deadwood, I guess I don't have the skills, I hope someone will in the future !
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: deadwood on April 24, 2023, 10:54:06 AM
You don't have to build AROS to update translations. As mentioned, talk to Mazze and he will guide you how to do this.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on April 24, 2023, 10:58:28 AM
Okay I will contact Mazze !
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: Mazze on April 24, 2023, 11:59:35 AM
Thanks, I add another big problem, many system applications present in "Prefs", "System" and other system folders are not localized in Italian, some are partially translated, some no translation !

In Local the Italian file catalogs are there but probably they are not updated or are incompatible !

I don't know what's used for ABIv0. I can only talk for ABIv1.

Here is what is used for the catalogs for Wanderer Prefs:
https://github.com/aros-translation-team/wanderer-prefs

According to
https://github.com/aros-translation-team/wanderer-prefs/blob/master/catalog_version.h
version 3 is required. That's the version the Wanderer Prefs wants to open.

But the Italian CT file
https://github.com/aros-translation-team/wanderer-prefs/blob/master/italian.ct
has only version 1.

Someone has to update that CT file. If it's too difficult to work with GIT it's always possible to send the files to me.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on April 25, 2023, 10:09:16 AM
Mazze, I trdatotto the "german.ct" v3.1, then with "FLEXCAT" I compiled the "wanderer.catalog", once I copied it to Locale/Catalogs/Italian/System/Prefs,  it didn't work, this is the comado that i used:

FlexCat.exe wanderer.cd italian.ct CATALOG=wanderer.catalog

Where did I go wrong, I attach archvio with italian.ct (v3.1) and the created wanderer.catalog.

As test I wanted to compile with "FLEXCAT" also the original "german.ct", this also did not work :(

Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: Mazze on April 25, 2023, 02:50:34 PM
It looks like your flexcat creates corrupt catalogs. It works when I create the catalog myself (see attached screenshot "wanderer_prefs.png")

When I compare the catalogs binary there is an additional "0". (see screenshot "compare.png")
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on April 25, 2023, 02:54:14 PM
I used flexcat version 2.4 for PC-Windows posted on aros-archive !
Which version of flexcat do you use ?
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: Mazze on April 25, 2023, 02:56:36 PM
FlexCat 2.18 [linux/x86_64] (27.04.2016)
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: Mazze on April 25, 2023, 02:59:45 PM
There are newer versions:
https://github.com/adtools/flexcat/releases

The lha contains a windows version. I can't test because I don't have windows.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on April 25, 2023, 03:12:39 PM
Ok solved, I used the AROS FlexCat-2.18 version found on Aminet :)

Now I need to refine the translation, some terms are difficult to translate into Italian (very large vocabulary)

http://aminet.net/package/dev/misc/FlexCat-2.18
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on April 26, 2023, 04:43:58 PM
@Mazze

If it can be useful for the community, I attach "italian.ct" file and "Wanderer.catalogs" file in Italian v3.1 .

Successfully tested on both AROS x86 and AROS 68k.

The translation has been improved thanks to the contribution of dear friend "Samo79"

As soon as I have some time I will see if I can translate Zune Prefs too !
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: Amiwell on April 27, 2023, 05:05:20 AM
thanks amigasystem ;)
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: Mazze on April 27, 2023, 01:36:06 PM
I've added italian.ct to
https://github.com/aros-translation-team/wanderer-prefs
The catalog should appear in the next nightly build of AROS ABIv1.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on April 27, 2023, 03:30:01 PM
Thank you Mazze, in Italian I have updated, translated and created more "missing" Italian catalogs:

- Zune Prefs
- Pointer prefs
- iControl Prefs (in this catalog I translated a string left in English and corrected some strings in Italian )

On Wanderer I made a small modification.

As soon as I finish testing I will attach the various "CT" files and "catalog" files.

On ZunePrefs I have to shorten some strings otherwise I get a very big GUI !

Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: paolone on April 28, 2023, 07:51:17 AM
Thank you Mazze, in Italian I have updated, translated and created more "missing" Italian catalogs:

- Zune Prefs
- Pointer prefs
- iControl Prefs (in this catalog I translated a string left in English and corrected some strings in Italian )

On Wanderer I made a small modification.

As soon as I finish testing I will attach the various "CT" files and "catalog" files.

On ZunePrefs I have to shorten some strings otherwise I get a very big GUI !


Great! Very long ago, I also contributed some italian catalogs to the AROS repository, but I had no more time for this later. Good to see someone else picking up the job!
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on April 28, 2023, 03:08:07 PM
@Paolone
Thank you


@Mazze
Now there are 6 catalog prefs localized in Italian (iControl, Pointer, Print, PSI, Wanderer, Zune) , before forwarding them I would like some users to do some verification to find any translation errors.

I say this because some of the "uncommon" terms are not well understood and the translators all give different results, many I translated them because of my computer experience.

In the screenscot "Print Prefs" and "PSI Prefs" (there were no ct in Italian, as well as Pointer and Zune)
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on April 30, 2023, 03:11:45 AM
@Mazze
I found some anomalies in the source catalog

- ASL Prefs > the Width measure (see screenshot) cannot be translated, this string is not present in any .cd and .ct (in any language)

- I updated the Wanderer catalog to version 4.0, it only works if I write 3.1 instead of 4.0 (I assume the wanderer version is still stuck at 3.1)
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: Mazze on April 30, 2023, 11:16:54 AM
Oh well. See screenshot. MSG_SIZE has been used for the height. The size and the width aren't translated.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on April 30, 2023, 11:42:18 AM
OK, so we have to wait for an eventual update !
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: Mazze on April 30, 2023, 12:12:18 PM
I've repaired Prefs/ASL

I've updated https://github.com/aros-translation-team/asl-prefs
Note that the required catalog version is now "2".
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: Mazze on April 30, 2023, 12:18:09 PM
Current version of Wanderer's catalog is 4:
https://github.com/aros-translation-team/wanderer/blob/master/catalog_version.h
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on April 30, 2023, 12:45:58 PM
I tried to create ASL catalog, both in Italian and German, the system does not recognize the catalog, if I correct the version to 1.0 it works but there is the usual untranslated string !
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: Mazze on April 30, 2023, 01:01:47 PM
You need an update of the Prefs/ASL application. Should be available in the next nightly build.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on April 30, 2023, 01:13:08 PM
You need an update of the Prefs/ASL application. Should be available in the next nightly build.

Ok thanks for everything, I thought so !

Quote
Current version of Wanderer's catalog is 4:

I think an update of Wanderer is needed here too, to get catalog v4 working ?


Mazze, is there any news regarding the closure by Shell of "BoingIconBar" ?
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: Mazze on April 30, 2023, 06:10:59 PM

Mazze, is there any news regarding the closure by Shell of "BoingIconBar" ?

I'm working on it. See screenshot.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on May 01, 2023, 02:09:05 AM
Thank you !
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on May 02, 2023, 01:40:01 PM
@deadwood

With WiMP an "occasional" Guru happens when killing a window, see screenshot.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: Mazze on May 02, 2023, 02:27:29 PM
@deadwood

With WiMP an "occasional" Guru happens when killing a window, see screenshot.

"Kill" is dangerous because you can remove Windows and Screens while the applications are still trying to access them.

It's only useful if an application has crashed and you want to remove a dangling Window.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on May 02, 2023, 02:30:34 PM
Ok so it is normal ? i must say it works well, it seems to close well even locked windows and guru windows
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: Mazze on May 02, 2023, 03:47:47 PM
Yes, it's normal.

BTW: BoingIconBar can now be cancelled with "Break".

Thanks to Kalamatee you can even do "BREAK NAME Boing#?"
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on May 02, 2023, 04:23:08 PM
Thanks, where can I download it ?

It would be nice to also have a little Gadget to rotate the various menus (Dock), and mari also resize the icons, maybe I ask too much  :D
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: Mazze on May 03, 2023, 12:51:39 AM
Thanks, where can I download it ?

It's in the nightly builds.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on May 03, 2023, 05:19:25 AM
Ok so I will find tomorrow the new BoingIconBar ABIv0 and 68k in the deadwood build ?

About the catalogs, I corrected (long strings) and updated to 3.1 italian.ct of the "commodities.catalog", but it is not detected by the system, I also tried changing the version to 3.0 and 2.0, but nothing changes.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: Mazze on May 03, 2023, 05:38:44 AM
Ok so I will find tomorrow the new BoingIconBar ABIv0 and 68k in the deadwood build ?

That depends on Deadw00d. My commits are only for ABIv1. Isn't 68k already ABIv1?

Quote
About the catalogs, I corrected (long strings) and updated to 3.1 italian.ct of the "commodities.catalog", but it is not detected by the system, I also tried changing the version to 3.0 and 2.0, but nothing changes.

"3" would be the right version.
https://github.com/aros-translation-team/commodities/blob/master/catalog_version.h
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on May 03, 2023, 06:13:06 AM
Yes my AROS One 68k is ABIv1, so no problem, while AROS One x86 is ABIv0, I'll have to wait for deadwood version (not a problem I'll need it for at next version of AROS One 2.1)

For commodities.catalog, I solved using version "3", it worked, I had tried "3.0", I thought it was the same :)

Thanks Mazze

I noticed that the recent Spanish catalogs have more updated versions, are the most updated versions correct ?
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: deadwood on May 03, 2023, 07:17:20 AM
Yes my AROS One 68k is ABIv1, so no problem, while AROS One x86 is ABIv0, I'll have to wait for deadwood version (not a problem I'll need it for at next version of AROS One 2.1)

Please remind me to grab those commits next time I'm doing ABIv0 release - it will be somewhere in second half of year.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on May 03, 2023, 08:34:18 AM
Alright and thanks, in the meantime I will test ABV1 and 68k version and recreate the various scripts for changing themes
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: Mazze on May 03, 2023, 01:15:24 PM

For commodities.catalog, I solved using version "3", it worked, I had tried "3.0", I thought it was the same :)


Where did you use 3 instead of 3.0? In the CT file?
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on May 03, 2023, 02:38:42 PM

Where did you use 3 instead of 3.0? In the CT file?

Yes on italian.ct
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on May 04, 2023, 07:57:19 AM
Yes, it's normal.

BTW: BoingIconBar can now be cancelled with "Break".

Thanks to Kalamatee you can even do "BREAK NAME Boing#?"

Today I downloaded the nightly builds AROS ABI and AROS 68k and BoingIconBar still has no "Break" option !

I found that now AROS ABI works very well on WMware, as soon as I have some time, to please the "ABI" users, I will also develop an ABI version of AROS One !
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: Mazze on May 04, 2023, 08:11:48 AM
It works for me. See screenshot. BoingIconBar must be started from Shell.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on May 04, 2023, 09:30:40 AM
OK, I was running BoingIconBar with WBRun so that it could run all the parameters from Tooltypes.

Without WBRun, status detects BoingIconBar and I can close it.

Now that BoingIconBar can be closed, I will see if everything works for changing themes hot without rebooting.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on May 05, 2023, 03:24:02 PM
@Mazze

SysExplorer's catalog cannot be totally translated me into Italian, nor into other languages, some strings are not present in SysExplorer.cd, see screenshot !
 
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on May 11, 2023, 05:31:43 AM
@deadwood

There is a problem with FlexCatGUI, this happens only with AROS x86 and AROS 68k, it does not happen on OS3 and MOS.

Basically if we try to create a catalog with a .CT file "containing errors" they are not shown, practically on Wanderer no Shell with errors found is shown.

On the other hand, if I run the normal FlexCat command from a scrpt, the errors are shown in a Shell on Wanderer

Also tested with old versions of AROS, nothing changes

I made a small comprehensive video showing the two examples !

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1_ieJz4fs-gLBxnjI6LETq-LiDJqlp-do/view?usp=share_link
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on May 12, 2023, 01:13:43 AM
@deadwood

If you need to do some testing I can attach the FlexCat-GU binary.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on May 15, 2023, 05:34:48 PM
@Mazze

I report that on HDtooBox.cd and respective .cd some strings are missing (sees screnshot), consequently no language can be translated.

I noticed that in format.cd there is a space on the string which is reported as an error during compilation:

MSG_FORMAT (//)
Format (here is the space)


(https://ae.amigalife.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1063.0;attach=4933;image)
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: Mazze on May 16, 2023, 03:12:42 AM
I've added it to this ticket.
https://github.com/aros-development-team/AROS/issues/64
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on May 16, 2023, 03:36:59 AM
Thanks Mazze, I noticed that in About Aros, I am not mentioned anywhere :)

I am well on my way to completing all the translations of the Italian catalogs, many I have recreated/updated.

Only two catalogs I am having difficulty translating (acpitool and identify.library) because they are too technicians "hardware:"

@All
If some Italian user translates these 2 file .cd for me, I will complete all the translation of the Italian catalogs.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: Mazze on May 16, 2023, 03:48:35 AM
I noticed that in About Aros, I am not mentioned anywhere :)
I'll add you if you tell me your real name.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on May 16, 2023, 03:49:51 AM
My last name and first name are: Spadoni Carlo
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: Mazze on May 16, 2023, 04:20:59 AM
@all: of course, I'll add everyone who has done translations to both AboutAROS and http://www.aros.org/credits.php but I need your real names.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on May 16, 2023, 12:02:12 PM
@Mazze

On aros-translation-team, there is a catalog called "security.library", which in its archive there are two .cd files, "security.cd" and "securitysupp.cd"

Question, to create these catalogs should I use the same .ct files ?

Other Question, in the Locale folder, in which path should I copy these "security.catalog" and "securitysupp.catalog"

In the Builds these catalogs do not exist in any language  :o
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: Mazze on May 16, 2023, 01:39:13 PM
security.library isn't used. I think you waste your time with translating.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on May 16, 2023, 02:31:07 PM
security.library isn't used. I think you waste your time with translating.

Ok I won't do the catalog securty anymore,, so it belongs to the security.library, mine was also curiosity, thank you for the answer.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on May 18, 2023, 03:15:44 PM
@Mazze

I finished the Italian translation of 42 catalogs, some were recreated from scratch and updated.

 Among the last the Trident catalog, very tiring more than 300 strings to translate and assemble.

However, I noticed that "Poseidon Popups" cannot be translated, in the .cd file there are no strings concerning "Poseidon Popups"

As soon as I finish testing the new catalogs I will send you both the .ct and .catalog files

Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: Mazze on May 19, 2023, 01:48:18 PM
@Mazze

As soon as I finish testing the new catalogs I will send you both the .ct and .catalog files

Very good. I need only the CT files. The catalogs will be created by the build system.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on May 20, 2023, 02:48:38 AM
@Mazze
Ok I will send you the .ct files in the respective directories

I integrated ABIv1 into AROS One, did some tests, BoingIconBar can now be closed, Skins exchange through my scripts works perfectly, see small video attached:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1zcF2vCPPOEIqdBYTwubgEw0HM93BDjlK/view?usp=share_link


On ABv1 I found some anomalies:

- PenDrives are displayed with Floppy Icon (def_Disk) , on ABIv0 the correct icon is shown (def_USB")

- Italian Keymaps is corrupted, some com keys and "Enter" "Backspace" do not work and probably others (on ABIv0 works fine)

-  All executables in the "System/Wanderer/Tools" folder, if no icon is present, are no longer executable or work poorly, "DiskInfo" does not show Icon information, "WBNewDrawer" does not allow you to create a new folder, "WBRename", does not allow you to rename a file, I believe "Info", "ExecuteStartup" and "ExecuteCommand" also do not work as they should.

- GCC and C++ files in Contrib ABVIv1 "are non-executable" !

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1UYHO14InJLnBmHkEXPEdcuhj9KoHVTGy/view?usp=share_link

This problem also exists on ABIv0, I already reported to deadwood some time ago!


Question, is there any place to find "ABIv1" software for the Network nothing exists?
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on May 22, 2023, 10:59:18 AM
@deadwood

The AROS version of LoView does not allow you to associate an image, in practice it cannot be used as an Icon tool.

The same version on OS3 works correctly, images can be associated with LoView.

LoView is one of the best image viewing tools with a convenient and functional low tools, allows SlideShow and much more.

http://archives.aros-exec.org/?function=showfile&file=graphics/viewer/loview.i386-aros.lha
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: deadwood on May 22, 2023, 11:39:07 PM
Two questions:

1) Does any other Hollywood application work as target of icon association?
2) Was LoView working as associated with an images in some previous AROS releases?
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on May 23, 2023, 12:11:00 AM
Some hollywood applications such as those developed by Juan Carlos, cannot be used as a tool, but this happens even with his OS3 versions, long ago I reported to Juan Carlos how to fix the problem (That was suggested to me by a developer).

This was the command to add to Hollywood applications:
f$ = GetFileArgument(True)

In the case of LoView it is different because on OS3 it works fine, I still reported the problem to its author.

LoView never worked as a "tool" even with older versions of AROS.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: Mazze on May 23, 2023, 08:22:41 AM

On ABv1 I found some anomalies:

- PenDrives are displayed with Floppy Icon (def_Disk) , on ABIv0 the correct icon is shown (def_USB")

- Italian Keymaps is corrupted, some com keys and "Enter" "Backspace" do not work and probably others (on ABIv0 works fine)

-  All executables in the "System/Wanderer/Tools" folder, if no icon is present, are no longer executable or work poorly, "DiskInfo" does not show Icon information, "WBNewDrawer" does not allow you to create a new folder, "WBRename", does not allow you to rename a file, I believe "Info", "ExecuteStartup" and "ExecuteCommand" also do not work as they should.

- GCC and C++ files in Contrib ABVIv1 "are non-executable" !

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1UYHO14InJLnBmHkEXPEdcuhj9KoHVTGy/view?usp=share_link

This problem also exists on ABIv0, I already reported to deadwood some time ago!

Question, is there any place to find "ABIv1" software for the Network nothing exists?

Please start a new thread for discussions about ABIv1 problems.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on May 23, 2023, 09:05:59 AM
Okay Mazze, that's right, I moved the discussion here:

AROS One ABIv1 Work In Progress:

https://ae.amigalife.org/index.php?topic=1127.0
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: deadwood on May 24, 2023, 01:19:05 AM
@AMIGASYSTEM

Can you show me an example of Hollywood application that can be used as a Tool under AROS?

Have you possibly checked with author of LoView that he does not have different source code elements for AROS and for OS3?
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on May 24, 2023, 05:36:20 AM
deadwood, all Hollywood Applications developed by "jPV", can be associated, some as mentioned do not even work on OS3, because the developers did not know the procedure to solve it.

I did a test on the fly, I created a Descriptor and a Def_icon for RNOPublisher documents, then from Wanderer I ran the document icon where as tool was set "RNOPublisher", everything worked, the Document was opened without problems, see screenshot !


(https://ae.amigalife.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1063.0;attach=4970;image)
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: deadwood on May 24, 2023, 07:40:43 AM
Ok, thanks for validating that. As for LoView there's not much I can do on my own. If the developer can add some debug that would show different behavior on OS3 and AROS and indicate the source of that behavior I could look in system libraries.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on May 24, 2023, 07:48:16 AM
The developer of LoView, said that there was no difference between his Amiga version and the AROS version, unfortunately he lost the sources of the newer version, at the moment he only has the old sources, we are in touch and I am waiting for some verification from him.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: jPV on May 24, 2023, 09:07:13 AM
The developer of LoView, said that there was no difference between his Amiga version and the AROS version, unfortunately he lost the sources of the newer version, at the moment he only has the old sources, we are in touch and I am waiting for some verification from him.
The latest LoView seems to be from 2020, at least according to AROS Archives, and it predates GetFileArgument() improvement in Hollywood 9.0 (2021). When a program is compiled with an older Hollywood and user/system gives a filename without a path as an file argument, you don't get a full path to the file, just the given filename. With the new "True" option to GetFileArgument(), you get the full path always which makes it to work better in certain situations.

Maybe this makes the difference on AROS vs. OS3... either OS3 handles the file with full path or there's some difference how OS sets the working directory or something like that? But I'm just guessing without testing...
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on May 24, 2023, 10:00:50 AM
@deadwood

with ABIv0 20201110, doing tests with RNOXfer, I noticed that when you use the button to set a volume, once set a guru appears, see screenshot.

With the previous Core this Guru does not appear !



(https://ae.amigalife.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1063.0;attach=4972;image)
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on May 24, 2023, 03:41:46 PM

Very good. I need only the CT files. The catalogs will be created by the build system.

Here are all Italian catalogs in CT file format which i translated, I have tried to avoid articles and using "shorter" synonyms to avoid enlarging the GUIs.

If anyone would like to review these files, and perhaps to point out some translation errors, I would be very pleased
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: deadwood on May 28, 2023, 05:11:01 AM
@AMIGASYSTEM

I created a bug report for LoView case: https://github.com/deadw00d/AROS/issues/103
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: deadwood on May 28, 2023, 05:13:14 AM
Bug report for RNOXfer issue: https://github.com/deadw00d/AROS/issues/104
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on June 13, 2023, 01:51:53 AM
@deadwood

I would like to report a bug regarding "single" icons, that is, lonely icons without the file or directory

Basically if you try to rename or choose information, the system crashes, some times it doesn't happen !

This however should be an old bug, it happened with previous builds too ! I don't remember if I have reported this problem before.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: deadwood on June 13, 2023, 01:57:09 AM
Thanks. Indeed it's a long standing bug with Wanderer. Hopefully Kalamatee can fix this in his overhaul of Wanderer.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on June 13, 2023, 02:27:26 AM
It seems that Kalamatee has already fixed the problem, on the latest builds of ABV1 tried dozens of times, and there seems to be no more problem.

Question, are there any upcoming updates for ABIv0 ? I would like to Distribute the new version AROS One 2.1, as a lot of software has been updated and many of my new configurations have been created !

Actually for the new version of AROS One, I was waiting for the fixed version of "BoingIconBar", very important that avoids to restart AROS for theme change, on ABV1 it works fine.



Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: deadwood on June 13, 2023, 10:02:42 AM
I'm not working on any updates at the moment. As for BoingIconBar, I see some changes in the repo on 1st May. I'll see if I can port them to ABIv0 in coming days.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: deadwood on June 14, 2023, 07:23:48 AM
 @AMIGASYSTEM

Please check this version. It should have all the functionalities of 1.12 version (CTRL-c breaking, additional tooltypes, etc)

https://axrt.org/development/BoingIconBar_1.12.i386-aros.zip
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on June 14, 2023, 10:06:32 AM
Thanks deadwood, this is the fixed version of BoingIconBar, now you can close "BoingIconBar" from a Shell, but ABVI0 can do it only with the "Break 7" command, but it seems that the command "Break name Boing#?" doesn't work.

On ABVI1 on the other hand the "Break name Boing#?" command works fine, see screenshot, the "Status camand", are different versions:

ABVI0: Status v41.1
ABVI1: Status v41.2
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: deadwood on June 14, 2023, 10:51:45 AM
That's correct. There were fixes to Break that I didn't bring over. Try passing full name with correct casing instead of pattern.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on June 14, 2023, 11:16:43 AM
Ok it works if I use the name respecting upper/lower case  :)
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on June 14, 2023, 11:38:07 AM
Small video showing how to change the Theme on BoingIconBar, which you can now do without Restart the operating system.

https://youtu.be/PgqvM8KAvSQ
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: deadwood on June 14, 2023, 11:44:53 AM
Looking good :)
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on June 26, 2023, 09:32:13 AM
deadwood, it seems that DualBoot is no longer created by InstallAROS, has something changed (I haven't tried with a reference Build, I will try this with old Builds as well).

I tried to upgrade my AROS One to DualBoot, but Windows does not appear in GRUB, this operation with the" old Cores" worked fine.

Is there any way to manually add "Windows in the GRUB" ?

I have reset the Windows bootloader several times, but when I install AROS in the GRUB Windows is not added
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: deadwood on June 27, 2023, 02:47:43 AM
It's of course possible that this functionality has become broken. I don't have such setup myself (no Windows). If you can find which is the last release that has this functionality working I can invastigate.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: warelogix on June 27, 2023, 03:07:43 AM
AMIGASYSTEM I am dual booting my Mac mini with AROS / Windows7 and I have an entry like the attached photo on grub.cfg
Maybe adding and adapting to your disk layout. I am at this moment installing Aros One 2.1 on the mini to see if I have the same issue .

Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on June 27, 2023, 03:56:07 AM
Which version of AROS is installed on your Computer ?

I can't add that string in the Grub.cfg, because InstallAROS deleted all partitions


Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: warelogix on June 27, 2023, 04:07:15 AM
That was from version 2.0. I am installing 2.1 and I think I will have the same issue.

Confirmed, I had Aros One 2.0 on disk, wiped and used free space to install Aros One 2.1.
The dual option does not appear on the menu.
 
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on June 27, 2023, 04:23:22 AM
If it did not destroy your other partitions, add in Grub.cfg that string !

Maybe the partitions weren't destroyed, to me the first time it didn't destroy my partitions, in subsequent tests it deleted all partitions.

I re-did a fresh install of Windows and InstallAROS deleted all partitions, now I try to reinstall AROS One 2.0, so if all works well I report to deadwood, the latest working AROS version !

Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: warelogix on June 27, 2023, 04:37:19 AM
On mine it did ok, it maintained the windows partition, I have just added the entry and it's working fine. But I only did it once.


Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on June 27, 2023, 11:58:20 AM
Are you sure that AROS One 2.0 was installed, or was it an upgrade from a previous version ?

I installed a clean Windows and AROS One v2.0, InstallAROS deleted the Windows partition.

I used the Pendrive version to install AROS One, what did you use AROS One the DVD ?

Your Atapi.device partition is located on what Drive ?
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: warelogix on June 27, 2023, 01:28:46 PM
Yes I am sure, I always do a clean install (clean aros partitions) for each version that is released using a burned dvd image since version 1.7.
I never use USB image or do an upgrade.

In the last 2 days I installed 3 different machines with the 2.1 DVD.

1 - Lenovo E530 Laptop (Dual boot Aros-Linux)
2 - D945GCLF2 Desktop (Triboot Amithlon-Linux-AROS) : ata.device Unit 1 -Partion 1 (0=Windows, 1=Aros)
3- Mac mini Intel C2D (Dual boot Aros-Windows7)

All of them had the 2.0 version installed and didn't have any problems on them.
I always use default option that appears selected (use aros partitions and wipe them)


Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on June 27, 2023, 01:33:44 PM
OK solved, my 69 years are showing, actually Aros One 2.1 works fine, but you have to add the string in the grub.cfg.

was my mistake, i remembered "erroneously" that you have to use "Wipe" before installing  :D
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: warelogix on June 27, 2023, 01:38:38 PM
Ohhh,  that one option wipes it all allright!! Now I remeber it happened to me too also some time ago.
I dont remember if it already has it, that option should have a dialog/warning asking if you are really sure to wipe the entire disk.
It would prevent those situations. Sometimes It happens even when you're trying hard not to do it!
Well at the problem was found and solved :-)
 
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on June 27, 2023, 02:49:27 PM
In my case, where I would create 4 Partitions. 

1) System Reserved, 
2) Win10 (NTFS)
3) "Share (FAT32)
4) AROS

With the Wipe command it would change like this:

1) AROS
2) Partition Free

It was basically splitting my disk into 2 because it doesn't support the 240 GB of the Hardisk):

Doing all these with the DVD would have been impossibleem with Pendrives you install Win10  in just about 10 minutes and AROS One in 5 Minutes and less.

With a faster pendrive you install everything in much less.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: warelogix on June 27, 2023, 03:06:00 PM
Yes I know but I hate USB Pen drives.... they are most unreliable storage and avoid them at all cost.
I have lost considerable amount data even on new ones.It's a hit and miss.
Also USB Pen boot does not work on old Mac Minis, only the most recent ones. So DVD it is,  DVDRW fits fine for AROS. Erase and Rewrite.
I usually only use one pen for all ISOS with Ventoy multiboot, but it doesn't work for AROS.
 
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on June 27, 2023, 03:13:26 PM
Pendrives are unreliable, they should not be used for Archiving data, but only for exchange data between computers and doing installations.

DVDs, on the other hand, are not suitable for installing large systems, because it may happen that some data cannot be copied, they suffer a lot from redundancy, Pendrives for installations do not miss a beat.

Anyway now I tried to install AROS One v2.0, and in the menu I had to put manully the Windows string, maybe if you have time try af it too.

I need to identify for sure the latest verson of AROS where DualBoot works well, otherwise deadwood can't fix the problem.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: warelogix on June 27, 2023, 03:18:46 PM
I did the string change in all 3 machines, all working fine.
Aros One 2.0 installed the dual boot the last time I used it, so maybe that one.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on June 27, 2023, 03:32:25 PM
Strange, to me 2.0 does not add Windows   :o

By the way on AROS One 2.1, I forgot to update the icon packages, maybe tomorrow I will create an Update and include the fixes attached yesterday !
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: warelogix on June 27, 2023, 03:43:32 PM
I can try to install 2.0 again on the Mac Mini, it's the only machine where I have Windows, the others have linux
but, like you said, it will take forever as I cant boot using USB on this model.
Just to make sure.

I just did a fresh reinstall of Aros One 2.0 (Format Partitions DH0/DH1 + Aros Core  + Boot loader) and I can confirm, Windows 7 is detected and
added automatically to the boot menu  :)

That also confirms the report I made on June 11 which was also made with Aros One 2.0 at the time:
https://ae.amigalife.org/index.php?action=post;quote=16579;topic=194.0;last_msg=16580



Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on June 27, 2023, 05:03:34 PM
What do you mean by "Wipe Partitions", did you use Wipe on ArosInstall ?
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: warelogix on June 27, 2023, 05:08:43 PM
Just format DH0: and DH1: during setup, bad choice of words, my bad :-D
I didn't use the first option to clean up entire disk or else i would loose my Windows partition too.
What version of Windows do you have windows 10? Could it be, not detecting W10 only? It doesn't
make sense, it would be detected by filesystem type/partition type.. no?
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on June 27, 2023, 05:45:01 PM
Ok correct, yes the best procedure is to format the old AROS One and then with InstallAROS use that volume to install the new AROS One.

I use Windows 10 Enterprise, but I never had any problem, I just don't remember which version of AROS One was installed, when the menu included windows, tomorrow I will try 1.9 and then maybe 1.8 and 1.7.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on June 28, 2023, 03:44:29 AM
deadwood, the latest version where the Dual-Boot "Win7/Win10" is installed correctly with the Windows entry included, is the "Build ABI_V0 Jun 17 2022" installed on my AROS One v1.9, see screenshot

Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: deadwood on June 28, 2023, 09:23:28 AM
Ok, I'll check it. So if I understand it correctly, everything works in latest release apart from adding the command to grub.cfg to chainload windows?
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on June 28, 2023, 03:46:50 PM
Yes everything works, only the dedicated string to start Windows is missing !
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: deadwood on July 02, 2023, 05:23:52 AM
@AMIGASYSTEM

Please boot your dual-boot computer with AROS and start HDToolBox. Then make a screen shot for each level (.device -> MBR/EBR -> partition) of your harddrive. I need to understand what AROS sees when looking at your disk.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on July 02, 2023, 06:29:34 AM
Here are the screensho, see if they fit!
I took the screenshot on all partitions

- Partition dedicated to the operating system
- Win190 on NTFS
- Share partition FAT32
- AROS One partition


https://drive.google.com/file/d/1lhdpyhT4z97m4oif7DtNUrhMDJWS2DjB/view?usp=sharing
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: Amiwell on July 02, 2023, 06:54:09 AM
I also encountered this problem a long time ago :-\
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: deadwood on July 02, 2023, 08:00:29 AM
On 02.png please click on the WDC... item so that text box on right hand-side is filled with details.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: deadwood on July 02, 2023, 08:04:09 AM
When installing (in case where the entry is not added to grub.cfg), do you already have Partition3 created as SFS or is it "empty space". In other words, do you select "Use empty space" or "Use existing parititions" in InstallAROS?
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: Amiwell on July 02, 2023, 09:05:22 AM
I usually install Windows first and leave some space in the partition for Aros, then I proceed with HDToolbox, and even if I overwrite a previously made installation nothing Grub does not recognize the Windows partition, now I don't remember which build the problem started from :-\
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: deadwood on July 02, 2023, 11:46:33 AM
Please check this build: https://build.axrt.org/download/builds/AROS-ABIv0/pc-i386-20230702-163909.tar.gz

Bug was in InstallAROS. It should not add the windows entry to grub.cfg.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on July 02, 2023, 01:31:41 PM
Sorry for the delay deadwood, just getting home now !

If I click on "02.png" I get the one shown in "03.png"

About the installation, I select "Use existing parititions" if I have to overwrite an old AROS installation, while in a clean installation i had chosen "Use empty space" , I am not sure, if it is necessary I can reinstall everything, with a pendriver it is very fast operation.

I do not use HDToolbox to create partitions, my procedure is this.

I start the Win7/Win10 installation, select a manual installation and create the "leave the last one" raw partitions.

After the Win7/Win10 installation is finished, I boot the PC with AROS One and Installer and select "Use empty space"





Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: Amiwell on July 02, 2023, 11:22:02 PM
Please check this build: https://build.axrt.org/download/builds/AROS-ABIv0/pc-i386-20230702-163909.tar.gz

Bug was in InstallAROS. It should not add the windows entry to grub.cfg.

works deadwood, thanks :)
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on July 03, 2023, 01:28:42 AM
I have been using on AROS One InstallerAROS from the new build you posted, and now Windows has been placed in the Grub, I noticed that in your new build also "kernel.gz" has changed, I have replaced this file on AROS One as well.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: deadwood on July 03, 2023, 02:01:14 AM
I'm glad the fix worked.

The build is from current state of ABIv0 branch which has the following 16 commits more than the last release:

https://github.com/deadw00d/AROS/compare/ABIv0_20201110-2...alt-abiv0
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on July 03, 2023, 03:22:31 AM
Ok thanks I will update AROS One x86 with ABIv0_20201110-2
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on July 08, 2023, 01:01:36 AM
deadwood, is it possible to restore "Restart AROS" (see screenshot), it was working fine with "ABI_V0 May 20 2019", also is it possible to run "Restart AROS" from a Shell?

I am trying with a script to do a hot theme change, with the Status command I can close and then restart wanderer, everything works fine, but the Theme is not replaced.

I think this happens because when I close Wanderer, the top bar still remains active, is there any command that closes wanderer totally, including the bar? it would be solved with the reset mentioned above "Restart AROS", but it would be more functional if you can close only wanderer.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: Devlin on July 09, 2023, 06:11:11 PM
Does the radeon driver work *at all* ?
Installing on a wyse mini-pc thing, with radeon graphics (hd6320/wrestler) and native boot just starts in 640x480 4col mode.

edit: It's specifically a WYSE Z90D7 mini-PC, 8GB RAM (2.7gb usable, understood and fine as to why), radeon graphics

If there's a trick to getting it going, i'd much like to know what it is.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: NinjaCowboy on July 09, 2023, 07:55:49 PM
Why is Wanderer somehow special in that its windows don't require closing when a theme is changed. That always annoyed me a lot when trying to change themes.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on July 10, 2023, 01:45:53 AM
Why is Wanderer somehow special in that its windows don't require closing when a theme is changed. That always annoyed me a lot when trying to change themes.

In Teme prefs you would need a command that would update the theme as happens with AfA OS workbench extension "AROS for Amiga", see small attached video:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1JhBhccgMHlJBqyLGhgB9dVIzBYv5Omev/view?usp=sharing
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: Jeff1138 on July 10, 2023, 01:56:53 AM
@Devlin

Sorry the current 2d radeon driver only works on early radeon up to x800 ish on external screens, written 15 years old. We would need the driver updated as 2d is now driven by the 3d in newer cards. This is not an easy quick job though.  Although open sourced by AMD, the Gallium code is not simple to work with.

I take it you need 3d or Vesa gives distinct resolutions?

Jeff

Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: deadwood on July 10, 2023, 06:27:44 AM
@AMIGASYSTEM

Warm reboot is unreliable in sense that it needs all the drivers to cooperate and have special code in them. Even if one driver does not have that code, you can have problems with warm reboot.

The propers solution would be to have themes hot swapped like in AfA case. Is AfA open source? Is there a repository where the codes are available? I'd rather look into implementing how theme swapping in AROS.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: Devlin on July 10, 2023, 07:37:38 AM
@Devlin

Sorry the current 2d radeon driver only works on early radeon up to x800 ish on external screens, written 15 years old. We would need the driver updated as 2d is now driven by the 3d in newer cards. This is not an easy quick job though.  Although open sourced by AMD, the Gallium code is not simple to work with.

I take it you need 3d or Vesa gives distinct resolutions?

Jeff

VESA works, but I'd prefer to go as native as possible. 3D is the ultimate goal here.
The install is fully native, as well.

I did notice that in VGA 640x480 4CLUT modes, some icons are corrupted and display garbage (such as the parent dir button) -
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on July 10, 2023, 07:50:16 AM
The 640x480 resolution is not suitable for the AROS screen and icons !
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: deadwood on July 10, 2023, 08:05:54 AM
VESA works, but I'd prefer to go as native as possible. 3D is the ultimate goal here.

Then go for ASUS M2N68-AM SE2 board. Hardware works out of the box on it.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: miker1264 on July 10, 2023, 08:15:59 AM
@deadwood

I found AfA OS version 4.8 lha archive on aminet. But it's only the compiled binaries. No source code was provided.

Several libraries are being replaced by AROS equivalent including icon lib and intuition lib.

Original author was Bernd Roesch. (AROS for Amiga OS).
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on July 10, 2023, 08:22:49 AM
miker, this was the AfA OS site, now unreachable, found thanks to web.archive,  there are sources and extra info.

If you need help installing AfA OS, just ask.

http://web.archive.org/web/20120206050626/http://amidevcpp.amiga-world.de/afaupload.php
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: Devlin on July 10, 2023, 08:28:53 AM
VESA works, but I'd prefer to go as native as possible. 3D is the ultimate goal here.

Then go for ASUS M2N68-AM SE2 board. Hardware works out of the box on it.

It's a mini-PC, can't change out the mainboard - I'm just tinkering with parts I have laying around and reporting how I get on with them.

@Devlin

Sorry the current 2d radeon driver only works on early radeon up to x800 ish on external screens, written 15 years old. We would need the driver updated as 2d is now driven by the 3d in newer cards. This is not an easy quick job though.  Although open sourced by AMD, the Gallium code is not simple to work with.

I take it you need 3d or Vesa gives distinct resolutions?

Jeff

also, 15 years? jeez amd doesn't get much love does it?
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: Jeff1138 on July 10, 2023, 10:00:59 AM
@devlin

AMD only, really, open sourced after the nouveau was done in 2012 (thanks deadwood) but we have so few developers now that it takes time.
Have the same Dell Wyse machine, nice but slow but that does not bother me

As you have an atom based HD2 does the nouveau driver (GT218) works on this well? How does the rest of the HD2 function? Is it with a recent AROS distro?

Regards
Jeff



Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: deadwood on July 10, 2023, 10:02:29 AM
@AMIGASYSTEM

Thanks for the link. I think I also saw AfA directly in AROS repository. Will have to investigate.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: miker1264 on July 10, 2023, 10:10:30 AM
@AMIGASYSTEM

Thanks for the link. I think I also saw AfA directly in AROS repository. Will have to investigate.

I took a look at the AfA OS 4.3 sources and it's very interesting. It seems to be compiled with DevCPP (.dev).

Some of it is AmiBlitz? 

Bern Roesch and the others who contributed did some good work on AfA OS.

AMIGASYSTEM

I already have a full installation of AfA OS with OS3.9 on HDF. It has already been installed and ready for WinUAE.

I'll try it out as far as themes (skins).

Also the skins are located in the lha archive from Aminet. Lots of good looking themes there.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: Devlin on July 10, 2023, 11:23:09 AM
@devlin

AMD only, really, open sourced after the nouveau was done in 2012 (thanks deadwood) but we have so few developers now that it takes time.
Have the same Dell Wyse machine, nice but slow but that does not bother me

As you have an atom based HD2 does the nouveau driver (GT218) works on this well? How does the rest of the HD2 function? Is it with a recent AROS distro?

Regards
Jeff

Sound is good.
Network is functional and useable (I know there's no support for the internal wifi)
3D accel works fine (the gt218 is not particularly fast though)
My 3D test is to run OpenJK(Jedi Academy) and see how it performs as I'm familiar with it, and it constitutes for me a "real world" workload.
HD2 gets about 15-30fps(trending typically higher) in 800x600
ACPI//power control is bugged though. have to force-power off the machine when shutting down on the HD2.

I did notice on the dell/wyse machine that I couldn't get the network to start properly.
Which driver should I use for the network card? (is r8111 chip iirc)
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on July 10, 2023, 02:32:56 PM

I already have a full installation of AfA OS with OS3.9 on HDF. It has already been installed and ready for WinUAE.

I'll try it out as far as themes (skins).

Also the skins are located in the lha archive from Aminet. Lots of good looking themes there.

Probably your AfA OS on HardFile is my AfA One that I deployed qaululche years ago, if that's the one you will find all the themes, including the ones I created, In any case some themes you can find them also here:

https://amiga-look.org/taxonomy/term/7

Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: Jeff1138 on July 10, 2023, 07:14:33 PM
@devlin

Great that the HD2 works so well, the driver for the dell is rtl8169

Regards
Jeff

Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: Devlin on July 11, 2023, 07:44:58 AM
@devlin

Great that the HD2 works so well, the driver for the dell is rtl8169

Regards
Jeff

Network's being rude, driver appears to be loading successfully but not doing anything else after that. (it's probably dns)
Any way to get some kind of verbose logging so I know exactly wtf is happening?
Dell WYSE box would be a perfect aros candidate *if* there was an up-to-date radeon driver for it.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: Jeff1138 on July 11, 2023, 12:58:24 PM
@devlin

AROS usually has a few options to get output, not sure it help with networking issues though


Native debugging tools for AROS

to enable debugging at boot time entering the GRUB menu editing line (E key) and adding "debug=memory" to your boot line, then press Ctrl+X to complete booting.


Open a shell and enter the line below to run Biftek and grab the debug messages collected in RAM into a text file.

tools/debug/bifteck > ram:debug.txt

and certainly does not open a window. It is a shell tool and only dumps data located from the debug location. It is therefore important to 'catch' that debug data as soon as possible (before it gets overridden). You should invoke bifteck at the first opportunity before doing anything else. You can use the TO option to store bifteck output to a file or you can pipe it manually to a file.




Another suggestion is to do a bug() debugging. Each time bug() is executed it will be output on sashimi. You include <aros/debug.h> and place bug("something\n"); in your source code at location though which control passes.

To get the output - open an aros shell

SYS:Tools/Debug/sashimi > RAM:out.txt

Regards
Jeff

Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: Devlin on July 11, 2023, 02:57:32 PM
From my tinkering it seems it's down to dhclient not managing to get an IP, failing silently and nowhere actually saying "hey this failed" and letting the user (aka me) know that it done goofed and isn't working.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: ntromans on July 11, 2023, 05:09:13 PM
From my tinkering it seems it's down to dhclient not managing to get an IP, failing silently and nowhere actually saying "hey this failed" and letting the user (aka me) know that it done goofed and isn't working.

To see the output for wifi, don't start networking on boot but from the shell:

execute sys:system/network/arostcp/s/startnet

c:wirelessmanager atheros5000.device verbose


(assuming wifi device is atheros).

The 'verbose' option will give lots of information on the progess (or not) with setting up the wifi connection.

By the way, if you are having trouble with wifi have you tried setting fixed IPs rather than DHCP?

Cheers,
Nigel.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: Devlin on July 11, 2023, 10:08:25 PM
From my tinkering it seems it's down to dhclient not managing to get an IP, failing silently and nowhere actually saying "hey this failed" and letting the user (aka me) know that it done goofed and isn't working.

To see the output for wifi, don't start networking on boot but from the shell:

execute sys:system/network/arostcp/s/startnet

c:wirelessmanager atheros5000.device verbose


(assuming wifi device is atheros).

The 'verbose' option will give lots of information on the progess (or not) with setting up the wifi connection.

By the way, if you are having trouble with wifi have you tried setting fixed IPs rather than DHCP?

Cheers,
Nigel.

Not WiFi. Ethernet, it's the built in stuff on my dell wyse - it should afaict run just fine by way of using rtl8169.device, but it never seems to get an ip address and if i set it manually it just throws packets into the void and they never go anywhere or get received by anything. Tried three known good network leads just to rule it out.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: ntromans on July 12, 2023, 11:56:59 AM

Not WiFi. Ethernet, it's the built in stuff on my dell wyse - it should afaict run just fine by way of using rtl8169.device, but it never seems to get an ip address and if i set it manually it just throws packets into the void and they never go anywhere or get received by anything. Tried three known good network leads just to rule it out.

Oh, OK - unusual for ethernet not to work if there's supported hardware in the machine. It doesn't even respond to a ping? Stupid question - when setting the manual IP I presume that did include gateway and DNS?

Cheers,
Nigel.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: Jeff1138 on July 12, 2023, 12:46:35 PM
@devlin

Last things you could consider, what distro did you decide to use on the Z90D7 (is there a regression?) and the pull out tab should give the year of manufacturing

Tests that can be undertaken to determine correct settings and functions

 ping <router-address> e.g. 192.168.0.1 (aka inet) or 80.237.146.33 (www.amiganews.de)
 ifconfig net0
 ifconfig net0 up
sanautil -d rtl8169.device status


Lower part of IPv4 tab covers the router information

    IP Mode Get address from DHCP

or if manual settings

    Gateway (IP Address of router) = usually 192.168.0.1 or 192.168.1.1 but see router manual to make sure.
    first DNS = use 208.67.222.222 (opendns) or 212.50.160.100
    second DNS = use 208.67.220.220 (opendns) or 213.249.130.100


Sadly just ideas now, still puzzled why it is not working

Regards
Jeff

Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on July 12, 2023, 04:38:08 PM
deadwood, I tested your latest Bulit, and found that the Pointer Prefs does not work, basically it does not allow to set and save the Pointer !

The latest build tested is "pc-i386-20230702-163909.tar.gz"

With Build "AROS-20201110-2-pc-i386-boot-iso" the Pointer Prefs worked fine !
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: miker1264 on July 12, 2023, 08:44:39 PM
For some reason as far back as Icaros 2.2 Restart AROS worked. But for recent builds Restart AROS goes directly to shutdown. It doesn't restart automatically.

When testing themes for example it's easier to have AROS do the work by restarting than continually pushing the power button.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: Devlin on July 13, 2023, 08:46:08 AM

sanautil -d rtl8169.device status


Other than this command, i've tried all the rest. Even down to trying different versions of the device I could find.

I'll come back after i've tried that one, though.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: deadwood on July 14, 2023, 01:02:42 AM
deadwood, I tested your latest Bulit, and found that the Pointer Prefs does not work, basically it does not allow to set and save the Pointer !

The latest build tested is "pc-i386-20230702-163909.tar.gz"

With Build "AROS-20201110-2-pc-i386-boot-iso" the Pointer Prefs worked fine !

Thanks, I'll investigate.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: Amiwell on July 14, 2023, 03:09:09 AM
sorry this thread is about system updates abiv0 open another thread to talk about more sorry again
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on July 14, 2023, 03:53:32 AM
Salvo we are discussing AROS ABIv0 " by "deadwood, which is an advance update of " AROS ABIv0 20201110", which includes some important fixes see "BoingIconBar", which can now be closed by a Shell, keymap.library, kms.library and more !
This reporting is important otherwise in the next core you would have this problem !

--- Italiano ----

Salvo stiamo discutendo  di AROS ABIv0 " di "deadwood, che è un anticipo di aggiornamento di " AROS ABIv0 20201110", che include alcuni fix importanti vedi "BoingIconBar", che ora può essere chiuso da una Shell, keymap.library, kms.library e altro ancora !
Questa segnalazione è importante altrimenti nel prossimo core avresti questo problema !
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: Amiwell on July 14, 2023, 03:56:54 AM
I was referring to the other discussions not yours ;)
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: Devlin on July 14, 2023, 12:53:58 PM
I'm using the AROS 20201110-2 iso as found on axrt.org (which is why i'm posting here)

I can't find sanautil, but there has been a development:

I got the network going, without messing with any AROS settings at all, in fully-automatic.

I had feared hardware failure, so I booted up a haiku liveusb i had laying around to make sure the network wasn't busted.
Networking in haiku worked fine, so i warm-rebooted into AROS and the network was just working no faff no fuss.

THEN - I did a cold reboot and the network never seems to actually *start up*(i.e. no activity lights on the eth port) at any point if AROS is the only thing set up to start, hence the bizarre failures.
to temporarily mitigate this (though it's kinda serious and imho should be fixed) on my box I've set the boot priority to PXE(LAN booting) first, and then manually cancel PXE booting, so it "starts up" the network port ready for AROS.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on July 14, 2023, 02:39:56 PM
@Devlin

If you are looking for SANAUtil, you can find it on AROS One x86, path Extras\DOS-Tools

If the Network works "Only" after a hot reboot, it may be that no save in the "Env-Archive\AROSTCP" was made, but only a save in the ENV

You could solve it by copying the "AROSTCP" folder from ENV: to Env-Archive

Also make sure that in "Network Prefs" you have checked "Start network during system boot"
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: Devlin on July 14, 2023, 04:22:46 PM
@Devlin

If you are looking for SANAUtil, you can find it on AROS One x86, path Extras\DOS-Tools

If the Network works "Only" after a hot reboot, it may be that no save in the "Env-Archive\AROSTCP" was made, but only a save in the ENV

You could solve it by copying the "AROSTCP" folder from ENV: to Env-Archive

Also make sure that in "Network Prefs" you have checked "Start network during system boot"

1: Noted.

2/3: There's definitely stuff in ENVARC: relating to arostcp

3: It definitely is set.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on July 14, 2023, 04:33:12 PM
Yes AROSTCP is present in Env-Archive, but the content might be different, "when the connection works", delete the folder from AROSTCP from Env-Archive, and exstitute it with that of ENV:

AROS like Amiga, after a warm reboot reads the preferences from ENV, while after a Cold reboot, the preferences are taken from Env-Archive.

I use this procedure for the DVDLive and PendriveLive of my AROS One Distribution, for all those who use AROS One on a VM, this way the connection is active and functional even from the DVD Live or Pendrive Live.

You can do this test, when the network works, delete the data from ENV, and you will notice that the network no longer works, because I will read the data from Env-Archive.

Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: Devlin on July 14, 2023, 05:12:23 PM
Yes AROSTCP is present in Env-Archive, but the content might be different, "when the connection works", delete the folder from AROSTCP from Env-Archive, and exstitute it with that of ENV:

AROS like Amiga, after a warm reboot reads the preferences from ENV, while after a Cold reboot, the preferences are taken from Env-Archive.

I use this procedure for the DVDLive and PendriveLive of my AROS One Distribution, for all those who use AROS One on a VM, this way the connection is active and functional even from the DVD Live or Pendrive Live.

You can do this test, when the network works, delete the data from ENV, and you will notice that the network no longer works, because I will read the data from Env-Archive.

It's nothing to do with the config, though I did try your suggestion, nothing changed. I think that part is, as previously thought, just fine.

From a cold boot, and AROS being the first boot option - the network "card" is not told to wake up before it attempts to connect to the internet, to which it silently fails and causes my issue.

Whereas, if like my "workaround", the PXE network boot starts first, the network card is sent whatever "wake up" command it needs to start, I cancel the network boot, and then AROS boots up and it's all "hey i'm awake, internet a go go!"

ed: this was posted from said AROS box, with working network as enabled by my "workaround"
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: deadwood on July 15, 2023, 12:58:17 AM
It's a long shot, but maybe you have some sort of power saving mode set in BIOS for network card that makes it "suspend" by default and your workaround wakes it.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on July 15, 2023, 01:13:50 AM
Ok Devlin, out of curiosity have you tried a clean Bulid, or replacing the "System/Network/AROSTCP" folder as well ?
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: Devlin on July 15, 2023, 06:07:39 AM
Ok Devlin, out of curiosity have you tried a clean Bulid, or replacing the "System/Network/AROSTCP" folder as well ?

Yep, done both. I don't think AROSTCP is specifically the problem here, as it is configured correctly and is known to work.

It's a long shot, but maybe you have some sort of power saving mode set in BIOS for network card that makes it "suspend" by default and your workaround wakes it.

Even the way it is, other OSes(in my case, haiku) will "wake" the network up (which is how i discovered it was doing this in the first place).
I think that it could be a driver thing? like, perhaps the driver expects the network card to be awake when it initialises, and because it can *see* it, doesn't fail if it's asleep?
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: ntromans on July 15, 2023, 09:08:19 AM
Apologies if you have already tried this, bue have you tried not starting netwoork automatically at boot but starting it manually via 'startnet'? One thing you might also try - issue startnet, stopnet and then startnet again; for me this has helped with a reluctant internet connection, albeit for wifi rather than ethernet.

Cheers,
Nigel.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on July 15, 2023, 02:46:06 PM
Apologies if you have already tried this, bue have you tried not starting netwoork automatically at boot but starting it manually via 'startnet'? One thing you might also try - issue startnet, stopnet and then startnet again; for me this has helped with a reluctant internet connection, albeit for wifi rather than ethernet.

Cheers,
Nigel.

Great idea I used it some time ago for a partially functioning Wifi Sheda, the "startnet" command can be inserted at the end of the User-startup, possibly also the double command startnet, stopnet, startnet.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: Devlin on July 15, 2023, 03:04:20 PM
Apologies if you have already tried this, bue have you tried not starting netwoork automatically at boot but starting it manually via 'startnet'? One thing you might also try - issue startnet, stopnet and then startnet again; for me this has helped with a reluctant internet connection, albeit for wifi rather than ethernet.

Cheers,
Nigel.

Tried, to no avail.

AROSTCP is not at fault here, it is, by all means, working perfectly.

I'm pretty much convinced that the driver is the culprit here. It's missing a way to bring the network card out of suspend mode when initialising it.

The fact that it works when I use PXEboot(network boot) or another OS that wakes up the network first is a big indicator of that.

If I had access to my dev environment (main PC is presently busted and laptop is *not* up to the task) I'd have a go at trying to fix it myself.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: miker1264 on July 15, 2023, 04:32:28 PM
Apologies if you have already tried this, bue have you tried not starting netwoork automatically at boot but starting it manually via 'startnet'? One thing you might also try - issue startnet, stopnet and then startnet again; for me this has helped with a reluctant internet connection, albeit for wifi rather than ethernet.

Cheers,
Nigel.

Tried, to no avail.

AROSTCP is not at fault here, it is, by all means, working perfectly.

I'm pretty much convinced that the driver is the culprit here. It's missing a way to bring the network card out of suspend mode when initialising it.

The fact that it works when I use PXEboot(network boot) or another OS that wakes up the network first is a big indicator of that.

If I had access to my dev environment (main PC is presently busted and laptop is *not* up to the task) I'd have a go at trying to fix it myself.

Neil recently wrote a network driver. Maybe he could give some insight into what may be the problem and how to fix it.

This was the topic if you do a search...

"AROS fully supported on NVidia based motherboard"
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: Devlin on July 15, 2023, 04:57:16 PM
Neil recently wrote a network driver. Maybe he could give some insight into what may be the problem and how to fix it.

This was the topic if you do a search...

"AROS fully supported on NVidia based motherboard"

I've sent a PM to Neil on the forum, hopefully he can help?
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on July 15, 2023, 07:09:47 PM
deadwood, I tested your latest Bulit, and found that the Pointer Prefs does not work, basically it does not allow to set and save the Pointer !

The latest build tested is "pc-i386-20230702-163909.tar.gz"

With Build "AROS-20201110-2-pc-i386-boot-iso" the Pointer Prefs worked fine !

Thanks, I'll investigate.

The mentioned Pointer problem, also happens on the latest version of ABIv1 "AROS-20230710-pc-i386-boot-iso.zipper"
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: deadwood on July 16, 2023, 06:51:34 AM
Please check this build: https://axrt.org/development/Pointer_20230716.zip

Let me know if problems with Prefs/Pointer are solved.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: terminills on July 16, 2023, 07:28:38 AM
From my tinkering it seems it's down to dhclient not managing to get an IP, failing silently and nowhere actually saying "hey this failed" and letting the user (aka me) know that it done goofed and isn't working.

To see the output for wifi, don't start networking on boot but from the shell:

execute sys:system/network/arostcp/s/startnet

c:wirelessmanager atheros5000.device verbose


(assuming wifi device is atheros).

The 'verbose' option will give lots of information on the progess (or not) with setting up the wifi connection.

By the way, if you are having trouble with wifi have you tried setting fixed IPs rather than DHCP?

Cheers,
Nigel.

Not WiFi. Ethernet, it's the built in stuff on my dell wyse - it should afaict run just fine by way of using rtl8169.device, but it never seems to get an ip address and if i set it manually it just throws packets into the void and they never go anywhere or get received by anything. Tried three known good network leads just to rule it out.

Someone can correct me if I'm wrong but the 8168.device is actually the more advanced driver as they both are based off the Linux code and the same applies.  8168 is the Realtek provided source and the 8169 would be the older out of tree driver.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: deadwood on July 17, 2023, 05:57:02 AM
@AMIGASYSTEM

Were you able to validate fixes to Prefs/Pointer?
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on July 17, 2023, 06:11:36 AM
Sorry deadwood, I had missed your post (I stay many hours at the sea in the cool wind, in my region it's hot some cities get up to 43 degrees, my city is cooler thanks to the ubiquitous Mistral sea wind

https://www.ilmeteo.it/Puglia

Tested the Fix now, the Pointer works fine, I tried to replace several of my PNG fonts and they work pefectly, see screenshot !
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: deadwood on July 17, 2023, 07:27:28 AM
Have you also tried setting up Busy pointer? Does that work as well?
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on July 17, 2023, 02:34:18 PM
Sorry for the delay, yes Busy Pointer works well, question is gif anim support possible, so that you can have Pointer and Busy Pointer animated ?


(https://ae.amigalife.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1063.0;attach=5226;image)
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: deadwood on July 17, 2023, 02:39:59 PM
Thanks for confirming. I don't know about animated cursor capabilities.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on July 17, 2023, 02:52:48 PM
I noticed that with OWB there is suppoto on a kind of animated Busy Pointer during the "waiting" search, see screenshot !
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: ntromans on July 19, 2023, 01:50:20 PM
As noted over on this thread (https://ae.amigalife.org/index.php?topic=1155.msg17153#new (https://ae.amigalife.org/index.php?topic=1155.msg17153#new)) AROS's VNC client crashes when you attempt to connect. This both from RPi to AROS (as tested bu gkb) and also AROS to AROS (tested by myself using the AmigaOne 2.1 distro). Error message is attached.

Cheers,
Nigel.

Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: deadwood on July 19, 2023, 02:42:51 PM
I assume this client was working at some point. What system version / distribution it was working last?
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on July 19, 2023, 03:26:30 PM
deadwood with the same Binary, the GURU also appears with old Buid, at least this happens with Virtual Machines, with Native AROS on PC, the PC reboots !
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: deadwood on July 20, 2023, 04:50:11 AM
Where can I download VNC from? I can't find it on AROS-Archives.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on July 20, 2023, 05:30:17 AM
I enclose in VNC that I have on AROS One.

In the archive there is VNC-Client, VNC-Server and the sources of both binaries

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ksv4Z5C30LaiCPv26DKSaQxVfKTwJmLN/view?usp=sharing
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: deadwood on July 20, 2023, 05:54:32 AM
Thanks. ArosVNC asks for jfif.library which is not part of AROS build. Can you share that library with me as well?
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: Amiwell on July 20, 2023, 06:41:07 AM
hi deadwood the library
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: pixie on July 21, 2023, 01:11:57 PM
Again you are only speaking from theory, we are talking about WinUAE not a real Amiga, with the 030 no JIT on WinUAE you don't do anything with it if you have to run AROS or run Porting or Amiga RTG systems.

---- Italiano -----

Anche qui parli solo per teoria, stiamo parlando di WinUAE non di una Amiga reale, con lo 030 no JIT non ci fai nulla su WinUAE se devi eseguire AROS o eseguire Porting o sistemi Amiga RTG.

This comes from WinUAE's author, Toni Wilen:
Quote from: Toni Wilen;1099318
Then it only fixes emulation problem or uses some different parts of emulator due to CPU architecture differences.

Emulators designed to be as fast as possible NEVER get faster by selecting "better" CPU! (Usually it is the opposite due to emulated CPU being more complex).

(Oddly enough long time ago I was told that there is no speed difference. Use of CSPPC CPU model in BPPC was my very first suggestion..)
https://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=1099318&postcount=5 (https://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=1099318&postcount=5)
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on July 21, 2023, 05:34:10 PM
Correct what Toni Wilen says, but he is referring to the emulation of an AMiGA, systems that do not need so much power, AROS 68k is not a suitable system for AMiGA in fact on a real Amiga AROS 68k is very slow and unusable.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: pixie on July 21, 2023, 06:02:38 PM
Correct what Toni Wilen says, but he is referring to the emulation of an AMiGA, systems that do not need so much power, AROS 68k is not a suitable system for AMiGA in fact on a real Amiga AROS 68k is very slow and unusable.
Why do you bring real Amiga into this? I never referred real Amiga... sadly, I haven't touched a real Amiga for a long long time. And I just bring it on because once I thought that somehow in emulation 040/060 was a better option, and would like someone to have enlightened me regarding it.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on July 21, 2023, 09:36:56 PM
As said several times, I recommend using 060 because otherwise 060 libraries, device or other software cannot be used.

Usually on my emulated amiga systems I use libraries, device or other native 060 software to get advantages on system power.

On AROS One 68k, when I integrated libraries, device or other native 060 OS3 software, 060 was needed to make everything work well, now on AROS one there is no more OS3 software so you can also use 020.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: deadwood on July 23, 2023, 01:25:42 AM
@miker, @AMIGASYSTEM

Can you go via Shell to directory where you have VNC client and just run ArosVNC executable (not the VNC-Client script) without any parameters. Does it crash as well?
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on July 23, 2023, 01:42:52 AM
Done, it seems to work well !
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: pixie on July 23, 2023, 02:50:19 AM
As said several times, I recommend using 060 because otherwise 060 libraries, device or other software cannot be used.
You should know that while there's some software that uses 060 libraries most actually doesn't. You should know that those libraries are made because 060 lacks some code and underperforms therefore a library is needed to take care of those issues. There's no software to my knowledge that isn't made for 020 yet it is for 060. These libraries are but a patch, but if like the author said there's no actual speed improvement from using an higher cpu, thiese patches aren't actually needed.  :)
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on July 23, 2023, 03:28:58 AM
Why do you think Emulation 060 exists?

The latest versions of WINUAE have had a big change, i can assure you that my AfA One without the 060 libraries, including the MMULib, does not have the same power and speed.

Have you tried to emulate Amiga OS4 with a 020?

Have you ever had an A4000/060, my A1200 with 020 and 030 were turtles in comparison !


... Here we are OT, if you want to discuss this topic again, open a new thread
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: deadwood on July 24, 2023, 10:43:19 AM
@miker, @AMIGASYSTEM

Please try if this new compilation of client works for you: https://axrt.org/development/ArosVNC_20230724-01.zip

There is a bug in original client that will always prevent it from starting.

EDIT: Also try version 02: https://axrt.org/development/ArosVNC_20230724-02.zip

01 is single threaded
02 is multi-threaded like the original compilation and required thread.library
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on July 24, 2023, 04:01:25 PM
I tried both tracks and they seem to work fine, no Guru appeared !

On PC I used remote DeckTop, but I have no experience with VNC

If you can tell me how to use it, I can try to connect with AROS natively installed on PC !
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: ntromans on July 24, 2023, 05:40:07 PM
@miker, @AMIGASYSTEM

Please try if this new compilation of client works for you: https://axrt.org/development/ArosVNC_20230724-01.zip

There is a bug in original client that will always prevent it from starting.

EDIT: Also try version 02: https://axrt.org/development/ArosVNC_20230724-02.zip

01 is single threaded
02 is multi-threaded like the original compilation and required thread.library

Just tried both versions - both work fine, including sending mouse and keyboard events :-)

Cheers,
Nigel.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on July 24, 2023, 05:46:06 PM
As said I have never used VNC, can you describe step by step the procedure you used, thanks !
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: deadwood on July 25, 2023, 12:54:59 AM
Just tried both versions - both work fine, including sending mouse and keyboard events :-)

Thanks. Did you notice any better operations with 02 over 01?
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on July 25, 2023, 03:56:09 PM
deadwood, on native AROS One x86 on PC I managed to connect with the VNC Client (see screenshot), both versions seem to work the same way.

Yesterday I could not connect because I did not know that you had to run VNC Server on the PC side and set a new password !!

I point out that on VMware does not work well, the connection with VNC Client works well, but open multiple screens (multiple Windows desktop)

Domanada but VNC Server on AROS works? no GUI is opened
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: ntromans on July 25, 2023, 04:55:08 PM
Just tried both versions - both work fine, including sending mouse and keyboard events :-)

Thanks. Did you notice any better operations with 02 over 01?

I'll need to test a bit more deeply for that.

Cheers,
Nigel.

P.S. oen thing though - the old client used to pop up a GUI, but not the new one?
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: ntromans on July 25, 2023, 05:00:51 PM
deadwood, on native AROS One x86 on PC I managed to connect with the VNC Client (see screenshot), both versions seem to work the same way.

Yesterday I could not connect because I did not know that you had to run VNC Server on the PC side and set a new password !!

I point out that on VMware does not work well, the connection with VNC Client works well, but open multiple screens (multiple Windows desktop)

Domanada but VNC Server on AROS works? no GUI is opened

Yes, the server does work (my test was AROS to AROS); the server does not put up a gui by default but if you look at its tooltypes there is the option 'STARTHIDDEN'  - set yo 'no' and you get the GUI.

Cheers,
Nigel.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on July 25, 2023, 05:07:34 PM
Yes, the server does work (my test was AROS to AROS) but the server does not put up a gui.

Too bad, so for the parameters you have to use the Tooltypes Icon !
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: deadwood on July 26, 2023, 01:07:29 AM
P.S. oen thing though - the old client used to pop up a GUI, but not the new one?

I'm not sure what you mean? The old client (as attached by AMIGASYSTEM a few posts back) always crashes when you click connect, so I don't understand what you mean by "pop up a GUI"?
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: ntromans on July 26, 2023, 03:57:42 AM
P.S. oen thing though - the old client used to pop up a GUI, but not the new one?

I'm not sure what you mean? The old client (as attached by AMIGASYSTEM a few posts back) always crashes when you click connect, so I don't understand what you mean by "pop up a GUI"?

Just the configuration gui so you could set th options before clicking 'connect' - I was not getting that with the new version, I had to set options via the shell.

Cheers,
Nigel.

Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on July 26, 2023, 05:25:21 AM
On AROS One x86 v2.1, the GUI of the new version of VNC Client works very well !!!

(https://ae.amigalife.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1063.0;attach=5350;image)
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: deadwood on July 26, 2023, 06:30:10 AM
P.S. oen thing though - the old client used to pop up a GUI, but not the new one?

I'm not sure what you mean? The old client (as attached by AMIGASYSTEM a few posts back) always crashes when you click connect, so I don't understand what you mean by "pop up a GUI"?

Just the configuration gui so you could set th options before clicking 'connect' - I was not getting that with the new version, I had to set options via the shell.

Cheers,
Nigel.

Hmm, that GUI is a separate script and it requires AmiLUA to be installed.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: ntromans on July 26, 2023, 07:25:26 AM

Hmm, that GUI is a separate script and it requires AmiLUA to be installed.

Just to say your new VNC client was tested on AROSOne which gives the GUI for the old buggy version.

Cheers,
Nigel.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: deadwood on July 26, 2023, 10:05:28 AM
How do you start it to get the GUI? Do you click the VNC-Client icon or start ArosVNC program?
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: ntromans on July 26, 2023, 02:18:39 PM
How do you start it to get the GUI? Do you click the VNC-Client icon or start ArosVNC program?

Just from the icon. The icon of the old client is of type 'project' and the default tool is amilua, as you said. However, if I copy acorss the icon for the new client it comes across as 'tool' and so of course the defualt tool cannot be set.

Cheer,
Nigel.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: deadwood on July 26, 2023, 02:26:28 PM
Hmm, I didn't include icon in the zip file - only the executable
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on July 26, 2023, 04:23:45 PM
@ntromans

ArosVNC is a Binary

VNC-Client is a script that generates the GUI for "ArosVNC"

If you create an icon for "ArosVNC" you will get a "Tool" icon

If you create an icon for "VNC-Client" you will get a "Project" icon

On AROS "Wanderer" there is no program to change the type of Icon, while you can do it with Dopus5 Magellan

Also you can change the AROS Icons on OS3


Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: ntromans on July 27, 2023, 03:21:33 PM
@ntromans

ArosVNC is a Binary

VNC-Client is a script that generates the GUI for "ArosVNC"

If you create an icon for "ArosVNC" you will get a "Tool" icon

If you create an icon for "VNC-Client" you will get a "Project" icon

On AROS "Wanderer" there is no program to change the type of Icon, while you can do it with Dopus5 Magellan

Also you can change the AROS Icons on OS3

Ah I see; with script and icon copied I now get the GUI.

HOWEVER,,, have the zips changed in the last couple of days? I've just downloaded again (the origianl test was just with files saved to ram:) and the client is NOT now working for me - the shared screen does not update but stays 'suck' on the first frame sent. The mouse and keybord events are still sent, though. This is both starting the client from shell and script/GUI.

Cheers,
Nigel.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: AMIGASYSTEM on July 27, 2023, 04:15:21 PM
@ntromans

Nothing has changed, I downloaded the zip archives and the binaries are identical, I also tried to connect with my Acer One z5 with the fixed PC and I had no problem, see screenshot !

It may be that your network is in use by other software, try to disable / activate the network card, or restart the PC !
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: deadwood on July 27, 2023, 11:51:55 PM
@ntromans

No, the files have not changed since publishing.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: ntromans on July 28, 2023, 12:09:57 PM
@ntromans

Nothing has changed, I downloaded the zip archives and the binaries are identical, I also tried to connect with my Acer One z5 with the fixed PC and I had no problem, see screenshot !

It may be that your network is in use by other software, try to disable / activate the network card, or restart the PC !

Rebooted both server and client, didn't help... If I have time I'll try again later on.

Cheers,
Nigel.
Title: Re: AROS ABIv0 20201110 Development
Post by: deadwood on August 14, 2023, 12:39:07 PM
Due to Aros-Exec shutting down, this thread is now locked and moved to arosworld.org

https://www.arosworld.org/infusions/forum/viewthread.php?thread_id=1116