AROS World Exec
General => Introduce Yourself => Topic started by: r-tea on April 27, 2023, 01:57:11 PM
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Hi people
After couple of years of highly upgraded, very well equipped Amiga 68k and then over 10 years of MorphOS on a MacMini I discovered that there is another way where the Amiga can go.
Things make me intrigued by AROS are:
- x86 nativeness
- built in MUI (ZUNE)
- 68k emulation (built in?)
- MorphOS is born from AROS
And I hope AROS has draggable screens. In contrast to MorphOS.
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Welcome.
Yes, the screens are draggable.
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Thank you.
To be precise MorphOS has draggable screens but when you release the screenbar it jumps back upwards. Do screens of AROS behave same?
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No on AROS if you lower the screen it stays down ! I emulate MOS on Quemu and the screen is fixed it does not lower ! it could however depend on the type of video card !
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Thank you both.
Another question: how far is AROS Poseidon from the one from MorphOS?
I heard it's quite old and lacks lots of classes.
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I don't know the differences, on AROS for example the USB port works fine, Pendriver external hardisk and Memoricard (USB adapter) work fine.
On AROS you can create a Live system on Pendrive/Hardisk USB external, and start/install AROS without problems, on MOS can you do it ?
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Actually I don't know. Never needed to create a live cd.
The MorphOS cd ISO image is actually a live CD, because it boots and then you can do a hard disk instalation.
It's nice to hear you have no problems with pendrives, memory cards and card readers on AROS, because I often have problems with them on my MorphOS.
But mayby it's because my MacMini rather than because MorphOS Poseidon.
AFAIR I haven't such problems on my Amiga 1200 with Spider USB and Poseidon installed.
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No I'm not talking about CD/DVD Live, but "PenDrive Live", that is boot AROS from Pendrive, or install AROS through a Pendrive, same thingyou can do with External USB Harddisks, on MOS I don't know you can do it !
With AROS One and IcarOS there are USB Images, which you then "Burn to Pendrive", this way you install AROS in a few minutes, on MOS is it possible to do this ?
AROS One x86 Start with PenDrive
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIMguHTdC5E
AROS can be booted from pendrive on any supported PC, DualBoot with windows as well:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGU8U4KFEzI&t=7s
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Which distro you prefer? Icaros Desktop or AROS One?
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I am the developer of AROS One x86/68k, so I prefer my Distribution ;D
In any case AROS One and Icaros follow different lines, a comparison cannot be made, diversity is beautiful in all its forms, because it represents an opportunity for enrichment !
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Then I have to try out both 🙂
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hi
thre is also my distribution Tiny Aros In a little time install the system all the best software is included
http://tinyaros.flazio.com/
you are welcome
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icaros desktop is not updated with the latest builds of aros i386 you can always read the manual supplied I used it but I did not find myself well suffers from some instability problem that I did not understand well if it derives from dopus5 in classic mode with wanderer (the workbench) works well
http://www.icarosdesktop.com/icarosfiles/IcarosDesktop_manual.pdf
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Do you mean Icaros Desktop is unstable because it uses old AROS and DOpus Magellan? How about AROS One? Does it use pure Wanderer?
Your Tiny Aros looks pretty and clean. Does it use Magellan?
Btw, can you ask someone to list your distribution here http://www.aros.org/download.php ?
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How about AROS One? Does it use pure Wanderer?
Yes AROS One x86/68k use by choice AROS pure, that is only Wanderer !
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Do you mean Icaros Desktop is unstable because it uses old AROS and DOpus Magellan? How about AROS One? Does it use pure Wanderer?
Your Tiny Aros looks pretty and clean. Does it use Magellan?
Btw, can you ask someone to list your distribution here http://www.aros.org/download.php ?
no tiny aros use wanderer for list of current distros i have to request to be added
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Do you mean Icaros Desktop is unstable because it uses old AROS and DOpus Magellan? How about AROS One? Does it use pure Wanderer?
Your Tiny Aros looks pretty and clean. Does it use Magellan?
Btw, can you ask someone to list your distribution here http://www.aros.org/download.php ?
The only stability problems that I've encountered with IcarosDesktop in VirtualBox is in Hosted Mode on Linux when using Magellan. I believe the issue is that the Linux Graphics driver has problems and it crashes.
But when I run IcarosDesktop Native in VirtualBox with Magellan it works great. No problems. So I blame the problems on the Linux drivers not AROS itself. Besides IcarosDesktop version 2.2 8 isn't that old as far as system files. Though deadwood has provided more recent builds
It's just a matter of preference. Some people like using Icaros for various things and some people like using other distros for whatever reason.
Maybe try them all ? :)
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Ok. My very first choice is AROS One x86.
The only AROS I am interested in is a native x86 AROS. No matter what distribution it is.
As I said I choose AROS One for the begining.
I fried a DVD iso. I thought it's bootable, but seems not.
I can browse the disk on MorphOS then the media is ok.
Have to do further investigation.
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I fried a DVD iso. I thought it's bootable, but seems not.
Why going through the agony of writing a dvd ? There are so many things that can go wrong with that (not only the writing but also with the AROS boot process).
If possible for you then try to either download a usb image and write that directly to a USB pendrive or start the .iso file in a VM and use the Vm to install AROS onto a pendrive (again through the VM).
It might be you do not have access to Windows/Linux/Mac OS in which case using a VM or writing a usb image file might not be possible to realize. My knowledge on MorphOS is next to none so do not know if it is possible to write an (USB) image file.
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r-tea, the ISO of AROS One is Bootable from DVD, you probably burned the ISO wrong.
As recommended by magorium use a Pendrive, and you will install AROS One in minutes !
Be careful though, create a live Pendrive from VM with InstallAROS, you will only get an AROS One Live, you will be able to use the system but you will not be able to use it to install AROS !!!
On the other hand, if you want to create a PendriveLive "to install AROS", you have to write "burn" to Pendrive the Image file "ArosOne-x86-USB-Image", with the program "RUFUS (https://rufus.ie/it/)" on PC, or you can build it yourself la following the priocedure you will find on AROS One DVD (see screnshot).
(https://ae.amigalife.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1115.0;attach=4837;image)
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Be careful though, create a live Pendrive from VM with InstallAROS, you will only get an AROS One Live, you will be able to use the system but you will not be able to use it to install AROS !!!
Hi AMIGASYSTEM,
is that limitation specific for the AROS One distribution or is that related to regression with AROS in general ? (if the latter then I have missed it)
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magorium "no regression", the Live Pendrive created with InstallAROS on VM, cannot be used to Install AROS on PC, you can only use it as Live operating system,
Instead to install AROS from a Pendrive, you can only do it with with the particular procedure sitated above.
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magorium "no regression", the Live Pendrive created with InstallAROS on VM, cannot be used to Install AROS on PC, you can only use it as Live operating system,
Instead to install AROS from a Pendrive, you can only do it with with the particular procedure sitated above.
Personally I don't waste time with pen drives. I use either an ISO for Virtual Machines or I burn a Live DVD. I've never had issues with the install media. Most problems start after the installation. ;)
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yes miker, but installing AROS from a Pendrive is a hundred, thousand times faster and you don't have problems, which normally happen when using CD/DVD, see bad media or faulty players.
CDs/DVDs are a thing of the past, in fact they are starting to disappear on the shelves of computer stores, and even on new PCs they are disappear the dvd players, same story that happened with videotapes, music tapes and floppies.
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yes miker, but installing AROS from a Pendrive is a hundred, thousand times faster and you don't have problems, which normally happen when using CD/DVD, see bad media or faulty players.
CDs/DVDs are a thing of the past, in fact they are starting to disappear on the shelves of computer stores, and even on new PCs they are disappear the dvd players, same story that happened with videotapes, music tapes and floppies.
Using a USB flash drive is not faster than using an ISO image. One uses the USB bus which has a finite max transfer speed especially for USB 2.0 and the other simply uses the file system for the VM where it is mounted.
Certainly a USB flash drive will be faster than an electo-optical drive at data transfer. Either an internal IDE/SATA or external USB optical drive will be slower than a USB drive. That's because the USB flash drive is solid state electronics with no mechanical moving parts which are inherently slow.
But I have never had problems with bad optical drives or faulty optical disks when dealing with AROS. Maybe you should spend some money to buy a better drive or more reliable media. ;D
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The ISO is very fast, but you can only use it on VM, if you need to install AROS on a Real PC, the DVD is very slow, and it takes much longer to install AROS, same thing if you need to install Windows 10
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@Miker:
Nothing wrong with using physical media. It poses two issues a) people that burn their cd/dvd's at the highest speed on shady media (or use rewritable media) which history has proven can cause many headaches and b) the device has to be supported by AROS (although that is also true for USB but there is nothing more annoying than staring at cat eyes during boot).
Actually there is a third one and that is when you do not have an actual cd/dvd-drive (in your system) to begin with ;D
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My knowledge on MorphOS is next to none
Same here as for VM. The only thing I know it's kind of emulation. I wonder why emulation while AROS is native.
I use Linux Mint. ISO burned with Xfburn. What are your advices as for burning the ISO? I don't want to give up easily for now. If it will fail too long I'll try an USB stick.
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I burn AROS One ISOs to PC with Nero Burning !
It seems strange to me that your DVD doesn't Boot, make sure that your PC has been set to boot from CD
If the ISO does Boot from Virtual Machine, with certainty it must also do so from CD/DVD
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My knowledge on MorphOS is next to none
Same here as for VM. The only thing I know it's kind of emulation. I wonder why emulation while AROS is native.
I use Linux Mint. ISO burned with Xfburn. What are your advices as for burning the ISO? I don't want to give up easily for now. If it will fail too long I'll try an USB stick.
When I initially tried installing AROS Hosted on Linux I tried using Linux Mint but with no luck. It wouldn't install correctly so I switched to Ubuntu instead then everything worked as expected. Maybe newer versions of Linux Mint have fixed those issues. But earlier versions didn't work.
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Same here as for VM. The only thing I know it's kind of emulation.
Let's stick to that thought as in basics it is correct.
I wonder why emulation while AROS is native. I use Linux Mint.
A bit of a technical babble (please don't fall asleep).
The AROS installer that allows you to install AROS on real hardware (the one that is said to not be working: have to figure that out later) is only available on AROS.
Thus in order to be able to run that you need to start AROS, then invoke the AROS installer. That is a chicken egg problem.
Normally you install a complete OS inside a VM but since we only need to be able to boot AROS so that we can invoke the installer there is no need to install AROS into a VM (but you can of course do that if you want as it is a nice experience).
The quickest way to boot AROS on real hardware is to either boot a cd/dvd or pendrive. Going with the latter we need create a bootable pendrive that contains AROS. There are many programs that are able to uinstall an OS to a pendrive but unfortunately AROS is a bit different in that it creates a real AROS live system (and that includes the filesystem that AROS uses). afaik there is no program avilabel that is able to do that for you, so the quickest way is:
1) download AROS pendrive img
2) write image to pendrive
3) insert pendrive into real hardware
4) boot aros, play around in live mode
5) install AROS on the real hardware
If there is no pendrive image available:
1) download cd/dvd iso
2) setup a VM capable of running AROS, point cd/dvd drive to AROS ISO
3) boot VM from iso
4) insert pendrive, mount it inside the VM
5) invoke the (separate) pendrive installer
then continue at step 3 in the previous list of steps.
ISO burned with Xfburn. What are your advices as for burning the ISO? I don't want to give up easily for now. If it will fail too long I'll try an USB stick.
No real advise. Are you using rewritable media or single write media ? I have very bad experience with the former so would advise against using it with regards to the latter use lowest speed possible. If possible try to boot the media on other hardware as well in order to see if at least the burn was performed as intended.
Especially the "wrong" burns and the risk that AROS is unable to boot from your cd-dvd drive is too much e-waste for me.
Are you using a ide, sata or usb cd/dvd drive ? the first is most compatible, the second hit or miss and latter usb one has never worked without issues for me.
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hi
thre is also my distribution Tiny Aros In a little time install the system all the best software is included
http://tinyaros.flazio.com/
you are welcome
I have downloaded the ISO and then I was surprised it needs about 840 MB while my only CD I have at this time is CD-RW 700 MB which I use for MorphOS updates :-\
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Use a DVD instead of a CD, nothing changes :)
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I have downloaded the ISO and then I was surprised it needs about 840 MB while my only CD I have at this time is CD-RW 700 MB which I use for MorphOS updates :-\
if you need a DVD consider that it is a complete system
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Use a DVD instead of a CD, nothing changes :)
Are you sure? Doesn't an ISO image requires the exact media type is was created for?
In the meanwhile the Icaros Desktop Lite CD is burning. I'll check it out for a while.
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Ok. Looks my notebook's CD/DVD drive is dying. Tomorrow it fried dvd but it can't browse it. Today I fried CD on MacMini/MOS and I can browse it there, but my notebook/LinuxMint cant browse the cd.
I guess It's not about ISOs. It's my pc hardware. I''ll try to clean the lens...
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Are you sure? Doesn't an ISO image requires the exact media type is was created for?
In the meanwhile the Icaros Desktop Lite CD is burning. I'll check it out for a while.
Very sure, a CD ISO can be written to DVD, you just need to inpost the DVD "mode" on the Burner ;)
I add that if you want you can also create a "DVD Video" on CD, normally called MiniDVD, of course the videos must not exceed the size of a CD :)
Ok. Looks my notebook's CD/DVD drive is dying
A good reason to use a Pendrive, you will save time and money !
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Ok, Amiwell. My CD/DVD drive appeared to be a crap. Sometimes work, sometimes not.
I downloaded Tiny AROS ISO for flash drives. Wonder why the file name is called Live CD.
What to do next?
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Ok.
Finally managed to write the Tiny AROS ISO to an USB stick. Did it on my Linux Mint.
Unfortunately it won't boot. It always mount as a AROS Live CD, but it won't boot. Of course I set removable disk on the top in BIOS boot priority.
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r-tea, you are wrong, you can't write an "AROS" ISO to Pendrive, there are no programs on Windows, Linux, MAC that can do it, they don't have the AROS knowledge !!!
As already said several times, on the Pendrives you can write only USB images (if you have to use it to install AROS), or via VM+ISO install AROS on Pendrive.
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Have you heard of Rufus?
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Yes Rufus is what I recommend to use to Write my AROS One x86 USB Image, in the previous posts I also attached the link.
Rufus is one of the best programs to write an ISO or USB/HD Image, but it cannot write an AROS ISO, no program can do that now.
Some years I discussed with the developer of Rufus (he was an Amiga 500 user), I proposed him to support AROs ISOs, but then looking at the content of the OS he said he did not have the knowledge to support AROS ISO
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Hi AMIGASYSTEM,
is that limitation specific for the AROS One distribution or is that related to regression with AROS in general ? (if the latter then I have missed it)
You are right, a live Pendrive can be created in a virtual machine using InstallAROS directly.
It had never worked in the past, today I wanted to verify andwith the Live Pendrive created with InstallerAROS alone, it is possible to install AROS on PC.
Sorry for the misunderstanding I will correct the various posts written not to confuse the readers !
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i don't have the option like aros one to boot from usb stick just normal installation from cd but i don't know how it manages your linux partition :-\
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Hi AMIGASYSTEM,
is that limitation specific for the AROS One distribution or is that related to regression with AROS in general ? (if the latter then I have missed it)
You are right, a live Pendrive can be created in a virtual machine using InstallAROS directly.
It had never worked in the past, today I wanted to verify andwith the Live Pendrive created with InstallerAROS alone, it is possible to install AROS on PC.
Sorry for the misunderstanding I will correct the various posts written not to confuse the readers !
No problem AMIGASYSTEM and thank you for the correction.
Just for the record, my experience is based on the pendrive installer from Icaros Desktop but the (generic) installer should in theory work for every AROS distribution (including yours) and for every device that you want to install to.
In the basics you only need to have a small (read: nightly) pendrive installation that you can test on real hardware. Once booted you can install that on real hardware and then manually copy over files from any other device in order to setup/configure any AROS distribution (if you know what you are doing). It is a bit of work though :)
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My AROS One USB image is a clone of the AROS One DVD, and includes the same third-party software already installed and configured.
On AROS one there are no Compacted Applications, both the DVD and the USB image include all ready-to-use software.
I need to understand the Difference between the "Live Pendrive" creation created with just installAROS, and the "Live Pendriver" made via the Script created by Paolone and adapted by me for AROS One.
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r-tea, you are wrong, you can't write an "AROS" ISO to Pendrive, there are no programs on Windows, Linux, MAC that can do it, they don't have the AROS knowledge !!!
Ok, guys. I gave up on usb. Crappy cd drive in my laptop happily managed to boot and ran Icaros Light up to the Workbench. I was surprised there were no installation script.
Do I miss something?
As repairing / replacing the laptop's CD needs time, I quickly bought an external USB one, but it woun't work this way. To shorten this discussion: I fully understand what are the BIOS boot ops and boot priority.
I got tired a little of it. But I will do something with te CD after hollidays and will try again. All the more that I saw it working.
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Ok, guys. I gave up on usb.
Why give up the Pendrive? is the easiest and fastest method to install AROS, with RUFUS of write the USB image, the ISO is not needed for this procedure.
Basically you have to write with Rufus THIS (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1BVyE2WL7ZrxqopYph75MpKDRzYSw2-qY/view) USB image (first unzip the ZIP archive)
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Why give up the Pendrive?
And what about Balena Etcher you've mentioned on you website? Rufus is Windows Only, and I don't have it.
I can see there is file with .vhd extention. It's of 4GB size. Can be a pendrive bigger?
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Yes on Windows Balena Etcher works well, if you use Linux you could use Rufus with Wine, however you could try any program that writes ISO/USB images, anyway nin risk anything, Pendrives "don't they fry" :)
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Victory!
AROS One from USB run!
Now, where is the HD installation script?
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If you used the pendriver you need to run InstallAROS, path:
SYS:Utilities/InstallAROS
Where do you have to install AROS One on HD ? is there any other Oparative system ? this is important otherwise you destroy everything if you don't know the procedure
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Guys, I finally found a time to check out this AROS installation.
I want AROS to be the only system on HDD. I choose "Erease disk".
Unfortunately the script Install AROS stops at "Could not open root partition of ata.device, unit 0"
I got only Linux on my laptop. Any ideas?
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Question you would like to delete Linux and install only AROS, or do you want to install Aros in DualBoot with linux?
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Guys, I finally found a time to check out this AROS installation.
I want AROS to be the only system on HDD. I choose "Erease disk".
Unfortunately the script Install AROS stops at "Could not open root partition of ata.device, unit 0"
I got only Linux on my laptop. Any ideas?
Try to make wipedisk and specify the size of the partitions
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@Amigasystem
The ONLY means I want to delete Linux.
@Amiwell
I choose "Wipe disk" before I got that error message.
Ok, I managed to instal AROS on hdd. I had to switch the SATA mode in BIOS first. From "enhanced" to "compatible".
Now, the only system on my laptop [Asus M50V] is AROS.
I think It's time I should move this thread to other board, because this one is for introducing. Thanks guys.
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Just FYI: if you had your disk in BIOS as SATA, then you needed to use ahci.device not, ata.device for partitioning/formatting/installing. Changing BIOS setting to "compatible", possibly means ATA-compatible, and then ata.device is the correct one.
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Ok, guys. I gave up on usb. Crappy cd drive in my laptop happily managed to boot and ran Icaros Light up to the Workbench. I was surprised there were no installation script.
Do I miss something?
Are you kidding? o_O
Please look at this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_NulEimh90
do you see differences with your situation?
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Of course I can see. In the Aros One distro, the HD installation script is placed a little deeper.
Sys:Utilities/
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The place of InstallAROS is Sys:Utilities, on the DVD there is the link of its icon on Wanderer, on the USB Image, I avoided to make the link, in the next release I will see to add the link also on the USB Image.