Scalos - General

[AMIGASYSTEM]

I have to report an old problem with Scalos Prefs that still persists, basically if from the FileTypes Menu you ask for a "ResetToDefault", all the FileTypes are assigned, but then if you try to save the "FileTypes" they are not saved

[AMIGASYSTEM]

Deadwood I found the problems.... you must copy themes from scalos over themes in prefs/presets then it works in Win Hosted. I would prefer to use Win Hosted if possible

Sorry what themes are you talking about, I on Windows Hosted have no problem, see screenshot "standard configuration by deadwood with Scalos in Extras"

[magorium]

@deadwood:
As an observation regarding the preferences testing.

Every time you/i change a setting and save it, scalos "re-starts" itself loading the new configuration. While doing so it detects that intuition has window(s) open (probably wanderer as i closed everything else ?) and asks to close them. Each time i press the retry button scalos closes itself (well, sort of) leaving behind an empty workbench screen. Depending on some settings a part of the scalos screen/window is visible on the wanderer window/screen.

The fact that the graphics is garbled and drawn to the wrong location is not an issue (i can understand there are still glitches there, so not important) but more annoying is the fact that scalos is 'stuck' and can't be closed. So a reboot of AROS is required.

That makes it very tiresome to check/test each individual setting, especially since that is what you asked us to verify 

Just telling in case  you aren't aware of that fact (at least fact for me) and in case that should not be the default behaviour.

[OlafS3]

@deadwood:
As an observation regarding the preferences testing.

Every time you/i change a setting and save it, scalos "re-starts" itself loading the new configuration. While doing so it detects that intuition has window(s) open (probably wanderer as i closed everything else ?) and asks to close them. Each time i press the retry button scalos closes itself (well, sort of) leaving behind an empty workbench screen. Depending on some settings a part of the scalos screen/window is visible on the wanderer window/screen.

The fact that the graphics is garbled and drawn to the wrong location is not an issue (i can understand there are still glitches there, so not important) but more annoying is the fact that scalos is 'stuck' and can't be closed. So a reboot of AROS is required.

That makes it very tiresome to check/test each individual setting, especially since that is what you asked us to verify 

Just telling in case  you aren't aware of that fact (at least fact for me) and in case that should not be the default behaviour.

You can use Scalos also as WB-Replacemtn what might lead to different results

[AMIGASYSTEM]

You can use Scalos also as WB-Replacemtn what might lead to different results

Equal does not change anything, although avii Scalos WB-Replacement will always behave the same (tested)

[deadwood]

@deadwood:
As an observation regarding the preferences testing.

Every time you/i change a setting and save it, scalos "re-starts" itself loading the new configuration. While doing so it detects that intuition has window(s) open (probably wanderer as i closed everything else ?) and asks to close them. Each time i press the retry button scalos closes itself (well, sort of) leaving behind an empty workbench screen. Depending on some settings a part of the scalos screen/window is visible on the wanderer window/screen.

The fact that the graphics is garbled and drawn to the wrong location is not an issue (i can understand there are still glitches there, so not important) but more annoying is the fact that scalos is 'stuck' and can't be closed. So a reboot of AROS is required.

That makes it very tiresome to check/test each individual setting, especially since that is what you asked us to verify 

Just telling in case  you aren't aware of that fact (at least fact for me) and in case that should not be the default behaviour.

Yes I noticed that, but it does not happen all the time for me. I start Scalos from a left out icon on Wanderer desktop, so I don't have any windows opened (apart from Wanderer itself). Configuration reloads correctly (that is Scalos is not left at blank screen ) most of the times. If this happens more frequent for you, maybe you can see if there is any pattern that triggers this.

In general this is a gray area I think: these things could happen as long as Scalos is secondary to Wanderer, but should not happen when Scalos is main desktop.

[AMIGASYSTEM]

In general this is a gray area I think: these things could happen as long as Scalos is secondary to Wanderer, but should not happen when Scalos is main desktop.

deadwood, if I understand the problem correctly, the gray screen appears even when starting Scalos directly.
I made a small video on AROS Hosted Windows, I will do the test also on native and linux hosted.

 This could probably depend on some  Aros preference, which apparently cannot be disabled

In the system in the startup-sequence Wandere disabled !

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1bU2-UmeCtNAzJARjmEyKLR4bJdD1O7od/view?usp=sharing


EDIT:

The gray screen disappears if from the startup-sequence you also disable iPrefs, it still remains a small background refresh

[deadwood]

It's a bit different issue. On you video the gray screen is shown for while but then Scalos window opens and everything is good. In case magorium is desribing (I think) the Scalos screen openes but Scalos window never opens so user gets stuck on empty Scalos screen.

[AMIGASYSTEM]

Okay I answered based on what I understood, however by disabled iPrefs the gray you saw in the video is no longer there, I also noticed that Scalos when you save to Scalos prefs generates a file named "NewPopupMenu.prefs" in the path "Prefs/Env-Archive/SYS".

[OlafS3]

I always started LoadWB from Scalos:Tools that started Scalos as WB Replacement

[AMIGASYSTEM]

Natural, you have to start LoadWB native Scalos and disable Wanderer if you want to start Scalos directly, although the Wanderer preferences will always be used, this is why I was saying that Magellan and Scalos will always have the Wanderer skeleton behind their backs.

Example if you disable iPrefs, you will no longer have the gray screen problem in the save, but you will also no longer have the Pointer prefs that is managed by iPrefs

[magorium]

I'll respond to many replies, in first place to deadwood later to others (i omitted to quote the exact message id here as there where too many)

Yes I noticed that, but it does not happen all the time for me.

Strange as it seems to happen continuously for me now.

In that case i must have triggered something to cause this (for me) permanent behaviour. Ofc it disappears when starting completely afresh.

I start Scalos from a left out icon on Wanderer desktop, so I don't have any windows opened (apart from Wanderer itself).

OK, i can try that as well as i haven't before. Thank you for the hint. I start scalos as instructed (extra's) then switch back to Wanderer to close the open windows and head back over to scalos. Perhaps that in itself is already enough for scalos/intuition to get confused (although that usually works for me in other/normal situations with Wanderer/Magellan but ofc i do not use scalos as replacement).

If this happens more frequent for you, maybe you can see if there is any pattern that triggers this.

Indeed. I do have a hunch but it is still vague e.g. can't find the exact steps to force it yet as it seems to involve changing different settings in a particular order.

In general this is a gray area I think: these things could happen as long as Scalos is secondary to Wanderer, but should not happen when Scalos is main desktop.

That i have understood from the get-goal.

Also for OlafS3/AMIGASYSTEM:

I am aware that mileage may vary when using scalos as desktop replacement although i do appreciate the hint you guys made.

It was more about the way how scalos acts. For some settings it absolutely makes no sense whatsoever for scalos to re-start, and certainly not in the way it seem to do for me.

In case magorium is desribing (I think) the Scalos screen openes but Scalos window never opens so user gets stuck on empty Scalos screen.

That is affirmative.

The grey workbench screen stays visible and scalos fails to (re)load, although it appears that scalos is making an attempt to load because of the graphical glitches on the Wanderer screen.
There is no debug output that provides helpful information on what goes wrong there.

I also noticed that Scalos when you save to Scalos prefs generates a file named "NewPopupMenu.prefs" in the path "Prefs/Env-Archive/SYS".

That is correct.

If you look at the debug-log (you know: that open terminal window ;-) ) then you can see that this prefs file is being created/written to when saving the preferences.

[deadwood]

Quick question:

Looking at Scalo_Prefs/Windows/Control Bar there seems to be two ways window behave: 1) double-click on directory opens a new directory window (standard), 2) double-click on directory opens this directory in same window (browser; has control bar at top by default). The default is "standard" view. I don't seem to be able to find an option to change the default to "browser" or even open a directory window in browser mode. However I saw screenshots of @AMIGASYSTEM where browser mode was used. How do you open a directory window in "browser" mode?

[magorium]

@deadwood: Delayed answer 

Instructions for i386-linux (because it is buggy for me)

• start scalos, then when on desktop
• move mouse pointer to a drive-icon
• right-click on the icon, scalos popup-menu appears
• select properties
• windows opens where you can set properties
• checkmark browser-mode
• press save button

That doesn't change anything for my setup, so i continue with

• close scalos -> crash -> reboot
• start scalos again
• open drive icon, note that browser mode is now activated

Also it seems that doing this that scalos also overwrites my earlier made/created settings with regards to browser buttons.

You can change that also for individual folder-icons, e.g. when you do not have the drive icon set as browser but wish to have a particular directory icon 'change' into browser mode: same procedural steps, only another icon.

[deadwood]

Thanks  - I would not have figured it out. It seems it is somewhat broken though, the toolbar appears, but still opening a drawer opens a new window. Added to my list.