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AMIGASYSTEM

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Reply #135 on: June 22, 2022, 03:30:48 AM
Quote from: OlafS3 on June 22, 2022, 03:23:32 AM
I USE Scalos from contrib

what version?


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Reply #136 on: June 22, 2022, 04:09:22 AM
If you use the Standard Scalos AROS 68k version, you will have the same problerms as AROS x86, see screenshot.

With Def_Icon AROS native, you get the right icons and tool assigned, but if you use other Icons like Glow Icon, Power Icon or Icon PNG, they will be ignored and therefore not displayed.

On your system you probably mixed OS3 files and settings, so all tests will not match those done with just the AROS tools

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Reply #137 on: June 22, 2022, 12:36:26 PM
One more attempt to configure AROS One Scalos, this time with a simple trick I bypassed the saves of the various Scalos preference, and now everything works "unobtrusively.

Def_Icon DualPNGs from AROS One and associated AROS One tools are now recognized.

The trick will probably work with AROS x86 as well.

- Menu Scalos + Menu AROS
- File Type
- Pattern
- Palette
- Pattern

However, the problems of saving Scalos Prefs, graphical artifacts on DualPNG icons, and slow icons in windows on the Workbench remain
« Last Edit: June 22, 2022, 12:41:22 PM by AMIGASYSTEM »


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Reply #138 on: June 22, 2022, 11:48:49 PM
@deadwood

On AROS x86 the trick used on AROS 68k partially worked, I created a video that shows that Scalos by default already has many associations configured, which use AROS def_icons and their tools.

From the video you will be able to see that if you reset File Types Prefs, all associations and DualPNG def_icon icons on the system are enabled, but then once you save the preference file "deficons.prefs" it will not be recognized when you reopen File Types Prefs.

On AROS x86, I also reconfirm the Scalos prefs problem, on AROS 68k however Scalos Prefs works fine

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1SOVluNpxQHuqfFer9UPfrQlneMdnqYB0/view


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Reply #139 on: April 06, 2023, 04:59:51 PM
The first thought I had about Scalos was how slow it was, well I thought that it might be due to the AROS RTG driver for uae itself not be as optimized as the AmigaOS one, since even Wanderer isn't the speed deamon one might expect despite being simpler, but having checked directory opus I have to say that I no longer think that to be the case. The thing is I don't remember Scalos being so slow in Amiga either... So what gives?


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Reply #140 on: April 06, 2023, 05:15:57 PM
Meanwhile, did you use my config with the 060, JIT, 512 RAM, 512 VRAM?

Scalos like Magellan have always suffered from speed even on Amiga, this has been a known thing forever, the more icons in a window, especially if they are DualPNG, the slower the windows will open.

All this with Workbench, but even with Wanderer it doesn't happen, of course if it improved the Graphics Card support on WinUAE, Wanderer for sure on WinUAE would be as fast as my AfA One OS 3.9.

As you can see from these videos, I have run resource-intensive games on AROS 68k (QUAKE 3) !

https://youtu.be/w6m1gXbpcMM


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Reply #141 on: April 07, 2023, 12:15:28 AM
"First make it work, then make it faster..."


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Reply #142 on: April 07, 2023, 02:13:11 AM
Quote from: AMIGASYSTEM on April 06, 2023, 05:15:57 PM
Meanwhile, did you use my config with the 060, JIT, 512 RAM, 512 VRAM?
I have used the very same system with all of them, so I could compare them. But yes, they are all beefed up! :)

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Scalos like Magellan have always suffered from speed even on Amiga, this has been a known thing forever, the more icons in a window, especially if they are DualPNG, the slower the windows will open.
It makes sense

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All this with Workbench, but even with Wanderer it doesn't happen, of course if it improved the Graphics Card support on WinUAE, Wanderer for sure on WinUAE would be as fast as my AfA One OS 3.9.

As you can see from these videos, I have run resource-intensive games on AROS 68k (QUAKE 3) !
I don't the doubt of virtual 68k, WinUAE is quite a beast and the best at emulating, my doubt was if somehow it had to do with the gfx drivers. BTW have you tried and compare with an amiga build?

Quote from: cdimauro on April 07, 2023, 12:15:28 AM
"First make it work, then make it faster..."
Noice!


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Reply #143 on: April 07, 2023, 02:16:59 AM
Quote from: pixie on April 07, 2023, 02:13:11 AM
. BTW have you tried and compare with an amiga build?

I didn't understand, what are you referring to !


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Reply #144 on: April 07, 2023, 03:41:44 AM
We have SCALOS running on AROS -> AROS build, you have SCALOS also running in AMIGA -> AMIGA build.



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Reply #145 on: April 07, 2023, 04:01:46 AM
Yes Scalos and Magellan are installed on my AfA One BB4, they are integrated and I only start them for testing !

In this video you can also notice with the 060 JIT the slowness of Scalos and Magellan compared to OS 3.9 BB4

https://youtu.be/RIt6XcGoeJo


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Reply #146 on: April 07, 2023, 10:03:43 AM
Quote from: AMIGASYSTEM on April 07, 2023, 04:01:46 AM
Yes Scalos and Magellan are installed on my AfA One BB4, they are integrated and I only start them for testing !

In this video you can also notice with the 060 JIT the slowness of Scalos and Magellan compared to OS 3.9 BB4

https://youtu.be/RIt6XcGoeJo

Thanks for sharing, that's interesting to see


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Reply #147 on: April 07, 2023, 04:33:02 PM
this is example of aros vision also using magellan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TD9QpH0QaQ

see the difference to the other video regarding icons


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Reply #148 on: April 07, 2023, 04:40:39 PM
Olaf those are "light" icons with few colors, even an Amiga 500 opens fast, to do the test try to put in a folder a hundred DualPNG icons or OS4 icons and then compare it with Wanderer !

If what I say is not credible, I think what PeterK says about Dopus5 is more than credible:

http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=1224845&postcount=2

https://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=1495501&postcount=3702
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Reply #149 on: April 07, 2023, 05:03:19 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6TsxadV-4w

this video is with 4.1 icons

we can bombard each other with videos now if you want

and even if icons are faster on wanderer than on magellan (and scalos if problems would be fixed), both desktops are much more powerful than wanderer if preconfigured

regarding the posts from PeteK you mentioned, I have no problems with magellan and also did not see huge amounts of ram vanishing. But i only use it on UAE so I do not want to make judgements. Here it works very stable. Icaros Desktop also uses Magellan on X86.

Of course both need some time to understand it and then preconfigure it, wanderer is there less to understand and to do. But that would be the job of the distribution creator. If you need only a simple software launcher on 3.1 workbench level wanderer is ok too, then scalos and magellan would be a waste because you not use both.

I only reacted at all because you made a video with a strange music more or less making magellan and scalos looking silly. That is from my point of view misleading
« Last Edit: April 07, 2023, 05:18:47 PM by OlafS3 »


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