Development Plan

[OlafS3]

Developers prefer Linux, while common users prefer the native version, Scalos like Magellan, in my opinion will never be able to coexist with Wanderer, a mixed Os will never be perfectly compatible with all software, compared to a native OS.

You do NOT need that Magellan or Scalos must be started after Wanderer

do not tell such a nonsense

you do not need a mixed OS

And why should software not run from Scalos or Magellan when it runs from Wanderer. Wanderer, Scalos and Magellan are desktops and not the OS

[AMIGASYSTEM]

Wanderer is not just the Desktop, all the AROS system Apps are connected in some way to wanderer, see themes, see wallpapers, Icons and much altrom you use Maggellan, but underneath there is always something that belongs to the native Workbench (Wanderer)

[OlafS3]

I am sure you are right. ScalOS can be nice when you get used to it and when it is working 100%
What can be a little dangerous with Linux integration is if it becomes to much Linux.
As Amiga users we would like to see RAM disk and for most some kind of DOpus file management.

Please ignore Amigasystems noice and negativity...

Scalos was designed as a 100% workbench replacement whereas Magellan was designed as a modern desktop at its time but not as a pure amiga solution. So there are differences. For example filetype deifinition is easier on Magellan to me, on Scalos you get similar results but it is more complicated to understand. On the other hand you have lots of configuration options and (correct configured) it would look and feel 100% like workbench including menu and shortcuts. Of course it must be tested and 100% bugrfree and all working before. I read the old threads about scalos on different forums. Activity was around 2002-2006 and it was commercial. The problem was in my view too few developers tried to do too much at the same time. There was not only Scalos running on Amiga (68k) but also Scalos on 4.X and MorphOS. Finally it nowhere worked perfectly and they gave up (instead of concentrating on one platform and then starting the next). Typical for many amiga project who were "almost there".

[OlafS3]

Wanderer is not just the Desktop, all the AROS system Apps are connected in some way to wanderer, see themes, see wallpapers, Icons and much altrom you use Maggellan, but underneath there is always something that belongs to the native Workbench (Wanderer)

Themes work on Magellan, and Scallos. there is only two additional options in window that not existed on Wanderer (you mentioned that). For icons i use PeteK icons, on Icaros desktop also Magellan is used and certainly as replacement and not as addon. The rest of the prefs are the prefs from aros. No difference there. Software runs on the desktop or not, but not because of the desktop.

BTW Themes work perfectly on Scalos. Only on Magellan you see something using it simply because there are buttons added that not exist on wanderer. Magellsn uses its own system for windows.

[AMIGASYSTEM]

I'm not against Scalos, I'm against mix systems, It's not a negativity it's a fact, all this was also found on OS3 !

Wrong to say AROS preferences, it is correct to say Workbench preferences (Wanderer)

[OlafS3]

I'm not against Scalos, I'm against mix systems, It's not a negativity it's a fact, all this was also found on OS3 !

sorry I use Magellan a lot longer than you and propably also did more with Scalos than you. You use it in a wired way in my view, do not use it as real replacements but only as addon, as another option to wanderer. Here we discuss using scalos or magellan as full replacements. That IS difference

[AMIGASYSTEM]

I have known Magellan since the first version came out, about Peterk icons, read about magellan incompatibilities here:

https://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=64079&page=202&highlight=iconlib


On my A4000 I was also using Magellan and Scalos

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIt6XcGoeJo

[OlafS3]

I have known Magellan since the first version came out, about Peterk icons, read about magellan incompatibilities here:

https://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=64079&page=202&highlight=iconlib

I use and develop my distribution for many years now, much longer than you. If you try to lecture me it becomes complicated. I like your distribution but I do not like it if you spread such nonsense from my point of view. Nikos now knows that your negative view is not standard and shared by everyone and we let it by that. At the moment Deadwood obviously is concentrating on different tasks and Scalos is not completed at the moment. If he perhaps start on it again I can show Nikos (or others who might interested) my experiences. Until that we do not need tp continue this nevrving discussions you started from day one when Deadwood said he would prefer scalos.

[OlafS3]

@Deadwood

I hope you help to fix Scalos on Aros even if you decide not to port it to linux. It is a very good desktop potentially becoming interesting for more users because near to woekbench but at the same time more sophisticated.

[deadwood]

@Deadwood

I hope you help to fix Scalos on Aros even if you decide not to port it to linux. It is a very good desktop potentially becoming interesting for more users because near to woekbench but at the same time more sophisticated.

I don't know the answer to this question yet.

[OlafS3]

@Deadwood

I hope you help to fix Scalos on Aros even if you decide not to port it to linux. It is a very good desktop potentially becoming interesting for more users because near to woekbench but at the same time more sophisticated.

I don't know the answer to this question yet.

ok i understand

[AMIGASYSTEM]

Olaf, everyone is free to express his opinion, I just said it is my opinion, that means it is debatable.

How can you say you use Scalos or Magellan before me? I know Magellan and Scalos from the first day they were distributed.

Talking about the themes, you can't say they are supported by Magellan, look at your Aros Vision window (screenshot), one of those gadgets and not only that, this is because there is no function to disable it and it is incompatible with AROS, to get rid of it you have to fix Magellan, for OS3 there is a corrected version of magellan:

Also not if you can use all the gadgets in Themes !

[deadwood]

@AMIGASYSTEM, @OlafS3

Please take the discussion on Scalos vs Magellan vs Themes to separate thread. It is not related to the topic of this thread.

[AMIGASYSTEM]

Sorry deadwood !

[deadwood]

A short update from me on the plan:

1) Synchronize code bases between repositories and release new version of ABIv11 [DONE]
2) Release first stable version of IntuitionWM
3) Release new version of ABIv0 refreshed to newer common codebase

The work on IntuitionWM will mostly likely start somewhere in May.

The long term horizon remains unchanged:

"On a longer horizon, there will be a lot of work related to ABIv0 and AxRuntime. I want to update ABIv0 to be based on latest ABIv11 source code. This will be an enabler to:
1) develop a version of AxRuntime that is capable of running ABIv0 32-bit programs on top of Linux and
2) develop an emulator that will allow running AROS 32-bit programs under 64-bit AROS.

Once all these things are in place, we will have a Linux-native desktop (Scalos) and ability to run AROS ABIv0 programs (32-bit), AROS ABIv11 programs (64-bit) and AxRuntime-recompiled programs (64-bit). This way existing distributions could be re-created using Linux as a base without loosing existing functionality for users, enabling a gradual migration from 32-bit to 64-bit.

For people preferring native AROS we will also have ability to use ~80% of the existing software base on 64-bit AROS, which then is an enabler to transition to 64-bit base system."