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Reply #105 on: June 01, 2022, 06:24:30 AM
Deadwood I hope (but I'm not the only one) in a future not too far in an Odyssey update, however at the moment it is still usable thanks to your work, some sites are not reachable but it takes patience :)


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Reply #106 on: June 01, 2022, 07:42:44 AM
Deadwood does everything possible I know it's a dream possible update


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Reply #107 on: July 01, 2022, 08:27:26 AM
With ABIv0 release being done and even squezing some code porting/synchronization and fixes, time has come to refresh the plan:

1) Port Scalos to AxRuntime so that it can become Linux desktop manager

There are no further concrete actions planned at this time. This is due to uncertaity of above-mentioned work. Once I have a better visibility on progress, I will be able to plan further.

The long term horizon remains unchanged:

"On a longer horizon, there will be a lot of work related to ABIv0 and AxRuntime. I want to update ABIv0 to be based on latest ABIv11 source code. This will be an enabler to having a version of AxRuntime that is capable of running ABIv0 32-bit programs on top of Linux.

Once all these things are in place, we will have a Linux-native desktop (Scalos) and ability to run AROS ABIv0 programs (32-bit), AROS ABIv11 programs (64-bit) and AxRuntime-recompiled programs (64-bit). This way existing Distros could be re-created using Linux as a base without loosing existing functionality for users, enabling a gradual migration from 32-bit to 64-bit."


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Reply #108 on: July 01, 2022, 08:34:55 AM
Sounds great Deadwood  :)


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Reply #109 on: July 01, 2022, 09:12:02 AM
Sounds excellent :)

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Reply #110 on: July 09, 2022, 02:04:18 PM
Quote from: deadwood on July 01, 2022, 08:27:26 AM
the plan:
1) Port Scalos to AxRuntime so that it can become Linux desktop manager
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we will have a Linux-native desktop (Scalos)

scalos as a native linux desktop ?! that sounds _very_ interesting !
would there be a part of the plan to have linux apps to export their menus to scalos menu bar too ?
kde, xfce and gnome are now able to have apps exporting their menus to a global menu bar.
it would be wonderful if that could be tweaked to work with scalos menu bar too.
i wish you best of luck with this plan, i'll be definitively looking forward to it.

a request:
for future endeavors can i suggest dopus5 too ? it's opensourced now..
dopus5 is the crown jewel of desktops (all systems confunded, even to this day)
and its listers are the best file manager experience i have ever seen on any system.
that being said, even though my all times favourite is dopus5,
having scalos on linux would be de-facto my desktop of choice.
do it, do it naow, we need it for yesterday.




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Reply #111 on: July 09, 2022, 02:24:49 PM
Quote from: nsklaus on July 09, 2022, 02:04:18 PM
would there be a part of the plan to have linux apps to export their menus to scalos menu bar too ?
kde, xfce and gnome are now able to have apps exporting their menus to a global menu bar.
it would be wonderful if that could be tweaked to work with scalos menu bar too.

If that is possible for linux-native desktops, than it will also be possible for Scalos, if first I succede with making it a native linux desktop.


Quote from: nsklaus on July 09, 2022, 02:04:18 PM
do it, do it naow, we need it for yesterday.

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Reply #112 on: July 10, 2022, 08:24:55 AM
this might be seen as a bit of a negative post but, here i share anyway
.. it is constructive criticism:

i hope you can keep scalos to be looking like .. scalos.
because quite frankly the way aros desktop turned up to be is an absolute horror.
the base look for aros was amigaos 3.1. stock default amigaos 3.1.
the user have to customise himself on his own.
this was nice and good.

aros made such a mess of UI elements, it broke consistency, you have gadgets of inconsistent  height and look. you have the abominable, appaling , space wasting, gorilla icons.
you have disgusting window decoration themes. aros desktop look is _terrible_ i cannot underline this enough. it's as ugly as amigaos was beautiful.
that is to say: i consider amiga very good looking, and aros, very, very, ugly.

i attach a picture of a more sane looking scalos, that try to look normal.
it tries, but there is still many problems.
i marked them on the screenshot as an example.
if scalos is made to look like aros default destop, i wouldn't touch it with even a 10foot pole ;)

« Last Edit: July 10, 2022, 08:32:05 AM by nsklaus »


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Reply #113 on: July 10, 2022, 10:31:03 AM
I agree with you on the gorilla icons, hate them!
Is it time to change the default to those used in icaros?

As for the window's.. I like the quirky retro look :)

My 2c :)

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Reply #114 on: July 10, 2022, 10:45:42 AM
thanks for sharing.
to me even icaros looks bad.
i wouldn't be satisfied until aros could be made to look 1:1 with stock default amigaos 3.1.
there could be predefined themes, bundled with aros, ready to be applied, for convenience.
but default look and feel should absolutely be aos3.1.
if user want to customise, fine let him customise. but default is aos3.1


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Reply #115 on: July 10, 2022, 12:19:37 PM
AROS can set it as you want even as a 3.1 OS, AROS was born as the evolution of Amiga i.e. a modern Amiga, and on an RTG screen using 3.1 screens is downgrading as well as ugly to see.

That is why I created my distribution AROS One (you should try it), just to have something modern that could not disfigure against modern OSes, which many users liked.

Regarding Scalos or Magellan , like Ambient on MOS I never liked it, having one program that handles everything is not the Amiga folosophy, the Workbench like Wanderer with its many Apps for each prefs in my opinion is the best choice as well as staying in the Amiga philosophy.
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Reply #116 on: July 10, 2022, 01:00:53 PM
i went to see some screenshot of your distro.
to each his own but, for me, this is exactly the opposite of what i like.

for me, perfection is:
- rtg  screen 16+k color,
- mui 3.8,
- magicwb icons,
- dopus5.
- no docks... i use custom menus (toolsdaemon style).
done. perfection.
see attached picture. (the wallpaper is not important here)
this is the natural look of amigaos.
if scalos looks like that on linux, then i have a new fav desktop coming.
if not, i'll continue working with amiwm.  (https://github.com/nsklaus/amiwm)




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Reply #117 on: July 10, 2022, 01:13:29 PM
Everyone has his own taste and it should be respected, I have I have almost all Amiga models and used all Amiga OSs, in the early 90s all Amighisti dreamed of something modern and advanced, Amiga has always been ahead, now instead I see that you row backwards.

This was my Amiga 4000 that I had already modernized 1990s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pp8jtdIVQiw

This is my Magic Workbench 3.0, 1990s systema on Floppy HD
https://youtu.be/GfRB65MJnZw

This instead thanks to WinIAE is my OS Amiga 3.9 AfA One
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXyV1PvkNvo

This and an old version of mine from AROS One x8e
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fc8WAjouEBI

Here are some more of my screenshots:

https://ae.amigalife.org/index.php?topic=945.msg11900#new


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Reply #118 on: July 10, 2022, 01:14:31 PM
@nsklaus, @AMIGASYSTEM

Please move the discussion on your preferences with regards to look & feel to a separate thread.


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Reply #119 on: August 31, 2022, 11:23:41 PM
Quote from: deadwood on July 01, 2022, 08:27:26 AM
With ABIv0 release being done and even squezing some code porting/synchronization and fixes, time has come to refresh the plan:

1) Port Scalos to AxRuntime so that it can become Linux desktop manager

Hi All,

A short update from me. After a lot of work has been put into Scalos in July, I took a break in August to focus on some private topics. September also look like they will take majority of my time, so progress on the developer plan is expected to be slow this month.


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