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deadwood

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Reply #90 on: May 30, 2022, 10:26:19 AM
Quote from: OlafS3 on May 30, 2022, 10:07:49 AM
Ha Ha

Icaros Desktop IS Magellan for a long time. Do your job

There is no need to respond like this. On this path everybody looses.


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Reply #91 on: May 30, 2022, 10:29:02 AM
Quote from: deadwood on May 30, 2022, 05:20:04 AM
Hi,

Being 2/3 done on my January list, I wanted to give you a bit more info on two concrete things I'm planning and a bit longer-term horizon.

Concrete planned items:
1) Release new version of ABIv0 refreshed to common codebase from around 2019-03-01 (Today we are on 2018-04-23)
2) Port Scalos to AxRuntime so that it can become Linux desktop manager

On a longer horizon, there will be a lot of work related to ABIv0 and AxRuntime. I want to update ABIv0 to be based on latest ABIv11 source code. This will be an enabler to having a version of AxRuntime that is capable of running ABIv0 32-bit programs on top of Linux.

Once all these things are in place, we will have a Linux-native desktop (Scalos) and ability to run AROS ABIv0 programs (32-bit), AROS ABIv11 programs (64-bit) and AxRuntime-recompiled programs (64-bit). This way existing Distros could be re-created using Linux as a base without loosing existing functionality for users, enabling a gradual migration from 32-bit to 64-bit.

It's a lot of work. If you are interested in helping out in any of these topics or just writing code for AROS, please let me know!
Yes, it's a lot of work because your goals are ambitious. But it doesn't look incredibly hard.


Let's see if, at the end of this path, we can finally see AROS 64-bit in a good shape, too.


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Reply #92 on: May 30, 2022, 10:29:25 AM
Quote from: deadwood on May 30, 2022, 10:26:19 AM
Quote from: OlafS3 on May 30, 2022, 10:07:49 AM
Ha Ha

Icaros Desktop IS Magellan for a long time. Do your job

There is no need to respond like this. On this path everybody looses.

Sorry Deadwood

I was only a little nerved because he himself not uses Icaros Desktop obviously but try to convince me that I am wrong.

Decide what you think. I have written my view and let it there...


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Reply #93 on: May 30, 2022, 10:32:20 AM
@All

My request is about information and facts comparing both desktops. The goal, for me personally, is to be able to run this desktop as a replacement of what i'm currently using under Linux Mint. So the comparison bar for me is not "better than Workbench", but "slightly worse than Caja" (Linux Mint file browser). I know what Wanderer can do from "insides", but probably I'm missing information on what it can be configured for. On the other hand I have no experience with Scalos and will have to evaluate it from grounds up - so comments on what I should look for are also welcomed.


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Reply #94 on: May 30, 2022, 10:33:00 AM
Quote from: OlafS3 on May 30, 2022, 07:04:16 AM
BTW cool that also ABI0 aros apps will run on it. So we finally really will be able to mix Linux and any aros app or component on one platform. That (together with Scalos) will certainly make some cool things possible...
You have to consider that each AROS application running on / launched from AxRuntime has a completely separated process where it's running.
So, interaction with other AROS applications isn't possible: each one is completely independent from the other ones.


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Reply #95 on: May 30, 2022, 10:36:52 AM
Quote from: deadwood on May 30, 2022, 10:32:20 AM
@All

My request is about information and facts comparing both desktops. The goal, for me personally, is to be able to run this desktop as a replacement of what i'm currently using under Linux Mint. So the comparison bar for me is not "better than Workbench", but "slightly worse than Caja" (Linux Mint file browser). I know what Wanderer can do from "insides", but probably I'm missing information on what it can be configured for. On the other hand I have no experience with Scalos and will have to evaluate it from grounds up - so comments on what I should look for are also welcomed.

I am currently working on a Win Hosted ABI0 distribution with Scalos. It is WIP of course but it is working and perhaps good enough to play around with it. Scalos has preferences with lots of options. I could upload it if you are interested


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Reply #96 on: May 30, 2022, 10:38:35 AM
Quote from: cdimauro on May 30, 2022, 10:33:00 AM
Quote from: OlafS3 on May 30, 2022, 07:04:16 AM
BTW cool that also ABI0 aros apps will run on it. So we finally really will be able to mix Linux and any aros app or component on one platform. That (together with Scalos) will certainly make some cool things possible...
You have to consider that each AROS application running on / launched from AxRuntime has a completely separated process where it's running.
So, interaction with other AROS applications isn't possible: each one is completely independent from the other ones.

from security point of view that is nice but at least some interaction should be possible like using Arexx ports or clipboard


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Reply #97 on: May 30, 2022, 10:40:19 AM
Quote from: OlafS3 on May 30, 2022, 10:38:35 AM
Quote from: cdimauro on May 30, 2022, 10:33:00 AM
Quote from: OlafS3 on May 30, 2022, 07:04:16 AM
BTW cool that also ABI0 aros apps will run on it. So we finally really will be able to mix Linux and any aros app or component on one platform. That (together with Scalos) will certainly make some cool things possible...
You have to consider that each AROS application running on / launched from AxRuntime has a completely separated process where it's running.
So, interaction with other AROS applications isn't possible: each one is completely independent from the other ones.

from security point of view that is nice but at least some interaction should be possible like using Arexx ports or clipboard

Clipboard will be shared, like it is shared between Linux applications. Arexx might be more tricky an need some hacks, but I think I will try to add it - after all Arexx is one of the "Amiga" things.


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Reply #98 on: May 30, 2022, 10:41:20 AM
Quote from: OlafS3 on May 30, 2022, 10:36:52 AM
Quote from: deadwood on May 30, 2022, 10:32:20 AM
@All

My request is about information and facts comparing both desktops. The goal, for me personally, is to be able to run this desktop as a replacement of what i'm currently using under Linux Mint. So the comparison bar for me is not "better than Workbench", but "slightly worse than Caja" (Linux Mint file browser). I know what Wanderer can do from "insides", but probably I'm missing information on what it can be configured for. On the other hand I have no experience with Scalos and will have to evaluate it from grounds up - so comments on what I should look for are also welcomed.

I am currently working on a Win Hosted ABI0 distribution with Scalos. It is WIP of course but it is working and perhaps good enough to play around with it. Scalos has preferences with lots of options. I could upload it if you are interested

Yes. Please share it when you have it working. There is no rush though - working on point 1) from my list will take 1-2 months.


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Reply #99 on: May 30, 2022, 11:53:45 AM
@OlafS3

I know Icaros very well, I have used Icaros for many years and dialogued many times with my friend Paolone also on Italian forums.

As said I will redo the tests and list all the anomalies of Scalos both on x86 and 68k, I will also make comparison videos to prove what I say, which I always do scrupulously.

Regarding Dopus5 I know all the versions even the Windows ones and I have used all of them even on OS3 and Windows

Finally, it is one thing to talk about software and another thing to judge people; I have never judged people, which you do, and not the first time.
 


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Reply #100 on: May 30, 2022, 12:14:16 PM
Let's see when the primadonnas decided to open a proper thread and continue there their quarrels...


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Reply #101 on: May 30, 2022, 12:24:59 PM
cdimauro, we are not prima donnas, i simply expressed my thoughts, for me the discussion ends here there will be no more of my interventions on these things


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Reply #102 on: May 30, 2022, 01:02:15 PM
Quote from: deadwood on May 30, 2022, 10:32:20 AM
Yes. Please share it when you have it working. There is no rush though - working on point 1) from my list will take 1-2 months.

Thank you Deadwood


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Reply #103 on: May 30, 2022, 01:32:39 PM
Quote from: AMIGASYSTEM on May 30, 2022, 11:53:45 AM
As said I will redo the tests and list all the anomalies of Scalos both on x86 and 68k, I will also make comparison videos to prove what I say, which I always do scrupulously.

Thank you!


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Reply #104 on: May 30, 2022, 01:37:17 PM
Excellent and thank you!
Well done deadw00d :)

Retired.. and working harder than ever

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