The situation

[magorium]

afair the 68K branch was a stale branch when the ABI split happened.

Thank you Terminills.

Commit history seems to support that statement and would explain me being incorrect that it did not exist before (there simply seem to have not been any movement for a long time).

Please consider me corrected with regards to that point: There was a 68k branch just not very active until Jason and toni came along (of course with support/prior work from other developers as well).

[magorium]

But AROS itself hasn't been a one-man project, as far as I know.

That is correct. Although if you look at the commits you could get the impression it sometimes was (at least in some area's and/ or during some periods).

When I got my build system to work and AROS compiled for the first time, not long ago, I remember watching the text scroll by on the screen. Yes, I'm easily amused by such things! ;-)

I do believe that most of current build system improvements are to thank because of Kalamatee and his persistance/efforts (can't tell for sure if it was all his work but at least they are his commits).

As I sat there watching it building I thought to myself how grateful I was at all the tremendous effort over the years that has become AROS. There is still much to be done. But I'm still very grateful for everyone who has contributed to AROS and for all those that continue to do so on a regular basis.

I had the same experience when i started the gimmearos script for the first time and then started building AROS.

I agree that it is a great thing to see the build system in action and producing something that at times is able to resemble something of an OS 

Thank you to everyone that has contributed to this wonderful thing called AROS.

I seconth that.

[x-vision]

but what resources are you exactly reffering to in case of AROS?

not monetary resources of course. contributors. people like yourself.

Sure, but then you assume that I would otherwise spend energy on working on ABIv1.

The argument about "slowing" ABIv1 "by keeping ABIv0 refreshed" keeps resurfacing.

The only "resource" that was expended on keeping ABIv0 refreshed was my time. All other contributions were actually backports from fixes done in "trunk" so nothing was lost or wasted.

Funny thing is that actually while doing the initial backport to ABIv0 I fixed numerous things that got broken in ABIv1 because it was never put into hands of users. So actually my working on backporting to ABIv0 contributed to ABIv1 even if I didn't plan for it.

Why don't you wanna work on abi1? I am innocently asking, excuse my ignorance but I don't don't know the entire AROS history

[Amiwell]

I did not understand the situation well, only that dedwood did some important work only because icaros exists, and then all my thanks, I will wait for the next release 2.3.0 which introduces new innovations that are always welcomed at least from my side, what the future will be, you will see, I know that you are working on the 64-bit version I can do and support programmers within the limits of my possibilities

[terminills]

There's been plenty going on with AROS.   As for how to talk about AROS's future I've seen a ton of these threads by people who don't commit code throughout the years.

That's what you get when you believe contributing consist solely of comitting.

Even when you commit or offer your commits for review they are being ignored.

Here's how non-developers can contribute.   Test, Financial support or, get others involved.   

Been there, done that. It is not considered contributing and as a consequence not being taken serious at all.

We as AROS users are one of the biggest issues with AROS.  We sit here and whine about what we want.  Then once it's contributed we never bother to test and give feedback.

I've wasted years 'not contributing' to this project and the evidence is still there for those that wish to see it. Not seeing it is putting up your blindfolds.

As long as people are ignoring the truth about these things nothing will ever change.

It would be better to start acknowleding things so that things can be put in motion.

And to give you a starter: whatever happened to the paperclips that were mentioned but not being addressed ?

Final note on this.   I can tell you I've spent over $20,000 on Final Writer and I've literally almost cancelled it multiple times due to lack of interest and feedback.

[OlafS3]

@terminills

Feedback for something that does not yet exist?

There were a lot of threads where people expressed interest

[Amiwell]

when davy wenzel brought his program audioevolution we made a donation for it, if yours is ready we could do the same thing

[OlafS3]

afair the 68K branch was a stale branch when the ABI split happened.

Thank you Terminills.

Commit history seems to support that statement and would explain me being incorrect that it did not exist before (there simply seem to have not been any movement for a long time).

Please consider me corrected with regards to that point: There was a 68k branch just not very active until Jason and toni came along (of course with support/prior work from other developers as well).

That is one of the problems... the aros devs do what they want not what users want

In best case it is both the same but in reality there is a split

On one hand partly extremly sophisticated components on the other hand not a stable bugrfree advanced environment and then of course no fully supported hardware. People boot it, it not works like they know it, it crashes and they cannot get important components working. Then they give up and go away and tell everyone how bad Aros is (and that even years after)

[terminills]

@terminills

Feedback for something that does not yet exist?

There were a lot of threads where people expressed interest

When I sent a copy to Paolo for inclusion in Icaros I got next to zero feedback.  So yes it existed.

[terminills]

when davy wenzel brought his program audioevolution we made a donation for it, if yours is ready we could do the same thing

Donations?   I don't need donations obviously as I will flat out say it now I'm probably the largest financial supporter of AROS in the sum of $300+ a month.    What I needed were bug reports.

[Amiwell]

paolo can't give you bug reports with its prerelease for programmers

[Amiwell]

I can buy a copy and give you reports is the only application I know how to use, I did a word course many years ago

[terminills]

paolo can't give you bug reports with its prerelease for programmers

It wasn't for programmers.   It was merely a prerelease for users to try and give feedback.

However it's been moving along in spite of the lack of feedback thanks to the developers working on it.

[OlafS3]

Is it a demo version with f.e. saving disabled?

If there is a working version for Aros 68k I could do a little test distribution with it included. Everyone has UAE but most not Icaros. Or I could integrate a demo version in my distribution. I will upload new versions next week.

[paolone]

Final note on this.   I can tell you I've spent over $20,000 on Final Writer and I've literally almost cancelled it multiple times due to lack of interest and feedback.

I wonder how you may recoup all these money. You'd need 200 users paying $100 each or, more realistically, 400 users paying $50. You must release it for all platforms to get this result.