Is anyone actually testing ABIv1?

[terminills]

So ABIv1 is supposed to be the bleeding edge of AROS however does anyone actually test it?  How about bug reports?



Bugtracker: https://github.com/aros-development-team/AROS/issues

Nightly Builds: https://aros.sourceforge.io/nightly1.php

[aGGreSSor]

IMHO, to this question you need to attach a link to the bugtrack and the fresh build ABIv1 like deadwood.
I ran abiv1. The only thing that interested me was SMP..

[terminills]

IMHO, to this question you need to attach a link to the bugtrack and the fresh build ABIv1 like deadwood.
I ran abiv1. The only thing that interested me was SMP..

Good point added to the first post.   As for Deadwood's backport people need to remember without bug reports for ABIv1 there will eventually nothing to backport.

[nikos]

I'm sorry to say but this version of AROS made diversity and almost killed the project.
 
I know there are some advantages, but looking at the history I'm more than happy with ABI v.0
From a users standpoint it is hard to tell the difference.

Unless someone come up with a very stable ABI v.1 release with a lot of the software found on ABI v.0
I do not see it happen. I heard before that it is not up to the main OS devs. to do that, some should make
a distribution based on it. Well, we tried. It is to many problems with the OS itself and the development tools.

Now Deadwood updated ABI v.0 with a lot of the work done in ABI v.1 and this makes me want to come back.
I'm not interested in a version of a OS I can not use. I'm neither interested in a OS where it is to much problems that seams to never get fixed. With that I'm not refaring only to ABI v.1 but also ABI v.0.
I think ABI v.0 came close to be very stable and with latest release from Deadwood it is even better. I have to test it more to  have a final opinion but it is looking bright

[terminills]

I'm sorry to say but this version of AROS made diversity and almost killed the project.
 
I know there are some advantages, but looking at the history I'm more than happy with ABI v.0
From a users standpoint it is hard to tell the difference.

Interesting I personally find abiv0 to be stale and dead as a matter of fact without abiv1 you wouldn’t be getting the fixes or improvements you’re getting

Unless someone come up with a very stable ABI v.1 release with a lot of the software found on ABI v.0
I do not see it happen. I heard before that it is not up to the main OS devs. to do that, some should make
a distribution based on it. Well, we tried. It is to many problems with the OS itself and the development tools.

Many of those problems you’re inheriting with the back port effort.

Now Deadwood updated ABI v.0 with a lot of the work done in ABI v.1 and this makes me want to come back.
I'm not interested in a version of a OS I can not use. I'm neither interested in a OS where it is to much problems that seams to never get fixed. With that I'm not refaring only to ABI v.1 but also ABI v.0.
I think ABI v.0 came close to be very stable and with latest release from Deadwood it is even better. I have to test it more to  have a final opinion but it is looking bright

Sure it’s great deadwood is putting the effort in for the users and distro maintainers but end of the day if abov1 stops and no one tests it you’ll be able to enjoy your nice stable updateless os.


Please ignore typos and grammar lol I’m typing on my phone. 😂😂

[cdimauro]

Another problem is that ABI v.1 isn't yet finalized, AFAIR.

[deadwood]

Unless someone come up with a very stable ABI v.1 release with a lot of the software found on ABI v.0
I do not see it happen. I heard before that it is not up to the main OS devs. to do that, some should make
a distribution based on it. Well, we tried. It is to many problems with the OS itself and the development tools.

Many of those problems you’re inheriting with the back port effort.

Actually much of testing of master branch happens due backport and it has ever been like that. The way I see there are essentially three groups of people: users, non-user testers and developers. Developers are obviously also testers focused on certain areas, but user only become testers when they use the software. Master branch of AROS today is not attractive enough to attract users.

In my mind the backport and master as in symbiosis. Backport receives growth from master, master receives testing from backport.

[terminills]

Unless someone come up with a very stable ABI v.1 release with a lot of the software found on ABI v.0
I do not see it happen. I heard before that it is not up to the main OS devs. to do that, some should make
a distribution based on it. Well, we tried. It is to many problems with the OS itself and the development tools.

Many of those problems you’re inheriting with the back port effort.

Actually much of testing of master branch happens due backport and it has ever been like that. The way I see there are essentially three groups of people: users, non-user testers and developers. Developers are obviously also testers focused on certain areas, but user only become testers when they use the software. Master branch of AROS today is not attractive enough to attract users.

In my mind the backport and master as in symbiosis. Backport receives growth from master, master receives testing from backport.

 That’s great to a point.  What happens if all a sudden you don’t come back to do it again?   Sure currently you’re receiving bug reports which is great.  However, look at the last what 5-6 years?  No bug reports nor fixes Happened to abiv0. And because not enough people are testing abiv1 it was left mainly to developers to catch bugs which in turn makes more work for your backport as if we had more people putting the effort in to find bugs in ABIv1 there would be fewer bugs to backport to ABIv0.

[aGGreSSor]

user only become testers when they use the software. Master branch of AROS today is not attractive enough to attract users.

This is absolutely certain. Cannot be kicked into happiness. Users don't owe anything to anyone.
If the user is loading AROS slowly, he just goes to pump the heroes on STEAM.
And it was a GOOD user, since the BAD user one would immediately go to play.
The reality is different from what most developers imagine.
You can ask, but in reality those two groups of users who are rather testers and developers themselves will respond.
These are very, very few people and they are all enthusiasts, communists, etc. 

[terminills]

user only become testers when they use the software. Master branch of AROS today is not attractive enough to attract users.

This is absolutely certain. Cannot be kicked into happiness. Users don't owe anything to anyone.
If the user is loading AROS slowly, he just goes to pump the heroes on STEAM.
And it was a GOOD user, since the BAD user one would immediately go to play.
The reality is different from what most developers imagine.
You can ask, but in reality those two groups of users who are rather testers and developers themselves will respond.
These are very, very few people and they are all enthusiasts, communists, etc. 

Actually, I would say the developers owe the users nothing, not the other way around.   Sure you cannot force someone to test not saying otherwise however if as a user you're not willing to put any effort in helping find bugs you can expect the same in return from developers fixing said bugs.  However let's use the current USB issue as an example.   I personally found and reported that 3 years ago for ABIv1 which if anyone had paid attention to the bug tracker they would have expected it including the breakdown of how 1.1 worked, 2.0 was flakey and 3.0 was essentially useless. 

[aGGreSSor]

Actually, I would say the developers owe the users nothing, not the other way around.   Sure you cannot force someone to test not saying otherwise however if as a user you're not willing to put any effort in helping find bugs you can expect the same in return from developers fixing said bugs.  However let's use the current USB issue as an example.   I personally found and reported that 3 years ago for ABIv1 which if anyone had paid attention to the bug tracker they would have expected it including the breakdown of how 1.1 worked, 2.0 was flakey and 3.0 was essentially useless.

So I wrote about it above. You are discussing pink ponies. In fact, there are simply no clear users. 
Personally I will test ABIv1. However, I will first translate and update the existing Russian translations of all AROS.
Then I have an earlier promise.
I didn't succeed with this nonsense, but I didn't spend any meaningful time on it.
There are some things in the AROS itself that I would like to change. And collectively it is called a hobby.
I'm sure that the answers of other "users" will be similar.

p.S. In fact, not all that bad. All that is needed is a team in which people will work according to the algorithm set by the leader. but it will take time to reach a consensus: what is important and what is secondary. It's good if the members of such a team live in one country, and better in a city. Then a strong leader can resolve conflicts in person. I don't know how real it's in your environment..

p.P.S. Russian AROS user usually looks like this: 1) The PC user came across AROS on the 4pda.ru forum and became interested. 2) Then the user installed to look and clicked everywhere, wondered. 3) Deleted it. Only a few linger on point 2. these are people with a certain history behind them or with a certain character. The good news is that there are actually many such people. They just use, for example ReactOS, OpenBSD, but AROS has nothing to attract them now. Why did I start translating into russian? Somewhere there is one and a half geeks who need it, they just don't know about it yet. 

[nikos]

Not payed developers do what they want. Payed developers do it for the money and sometimes it can be a mix. In AROS world it is mostly a mix. Do something you like yourself, make other people happy and there is a carrot in the end.
The last one made many things happen. At least when it comes to software like MPlayer, Audio Evolution or Odyssey web-browser. 

Sure things happened to AROS abi v.1 last years but it is not a big deal. It is mostly Kalamatee that worked on it. The Vampire team also worked on it as they need a legal OS for their hardware.

If ABI v.1 was a stable branch and most important software got ported to it, lot more would happen to it.

When everyone left ABI v.0 I waited patiently and tried to make ABI v.1 64-bit distribution with little luck. I tried to get some devs. to compile stuff for it but it was a mess. I try the AROS ABI v.1 versions from time to time but it is to much bugs and problems to catch my attention. 

[terminills]

Not payed developers do what they want. Payed developers do it for the money and sometimes it can be a mix. In AROS world it is mostly a mix. Do something you like yourself, make other people happy and there is a carrot in the end.
The last one made many things happen. At least when it comes to software like MPlayer, Audio Evolution or Odyssey web-browser. 

Sure things happened to AROS abi v.1 last years but it is not a big deal. It is mostly Kalamatee that worked on it. The Vampire team also worked on it as they need a legal OS for their hardware.

How can you say it's not a "big deal" when you're literally praising the backport effort which is essentially all the "not a big deal changes"

If ABI v.1 was a stable branch and most important software got ported to it, lot more would happen to it.

This is exactly why all my future paid projects will not be ported to abiv0(I made a promise for Final Writer which I intend to keep).

When everyone left ABI v.0 I waited patiently and tried to make ABI v.1 64-bit distribution with little luck. I tried to get some devs. to compile stuff for it but it was a mess. I try the AROS ABI v.1 versions from time to time but it is to much bugs and problems to catch my attention.

How many of those bugs did you report or submit to the bug tracker?

[nikos]

I do not say big deal cause that would be a complete update with more gfx drivers, network drivers and all other kind of drivers. USB 3 support, wanderer updated, improved and so much more. If I fill inn a bug report who will test it when it is hardware related? In the past I rather communicate through a forum or directly with the developer.

[terminills]

I do not say big deal cause that would be a complete update with more gfx drivers, network drivers and all other kind of drivers. USB 3 support, wanderer updated, improved and so much more. If I fill inn a bug report who will test it when it is hardware related? In the past I rather communicate through a forum or directly with the developer.

Well, let's see I had hardware issues with the latest Ryzen processors which is exactly why Michal and Kalamatee both have Ryzen machines(Hint I purchased them).  Also if ABIv1 has hardware issues then eventually the ABIv0 backport will have the same ones.   What developers are reading these forums lately(besides obviously deadwood)?