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mmartinka

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Reply #105 on: December 15, 2020, 07:41:59 PM
Quote from: deadwood on December 15, 2020, 05:54:52 PM
Quote from: mmartinka on December 15, 2020, 04:56:31 PM
Quote from: deadwood on December 15, 2020, 01:02:13 PM
@all

There is new testing ISO in the first post 20170402-2

VirtualBox 5.0.40
Please test:
- warm reboot (Wanderer->Restart AROS)  work OK
- cltr+alt+delete work OK

- garbled sound with HDAudio System slow - the sound is full of noise
- garbled sound with sb128 system no detected sound card

Does it mean this ISO actually started on your VBox 5.0.40? I think you were reporting that previous test ISO did not work for you.

I must disable IO-APIC then the boot.


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Reply #106 on: December 15, 2020, 11:16:45 PM
Quote from: mmartinka on December 15, 2020, 07:41:59 PM
I must disable IO-APIC then the boot.
Hehe. That's for sure.
I'm enable option "Enable IO-APIC" and black screen with freeze for "Restart AROS" returned to my VBox 6.1  ;D


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Reply #107 on: December 16, 2020, 01:07:48 AM
Quote from: nikos on December 15, 2020, 06:28:53 PM

It should reset the OS, just like on real Amiga hardware. Not a complete reboot.

Do you have a version of AROS that does that? I tried Icaros 2.1 in VBox and it reboots the machine instead of reseting AROS.

Quote from: nikos on December 15, 2020, 06:28:53 PM
It is correct, I installed the ISO to HDD. I did a clean install with format and looking at the time of the files it is all the same so must be from same install.

Can you try booting from livecd and running SysExplorer from livecd to see if it crashes as well? I does not crash for me in VBox.


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Reply #108 on: December 16, 2020, 01:09:09 AM
Quote from: mmartinka on December 15, 2020, 07:41:59 PM
I must disable IO-APIC then the boot.

Did you disable it in VM setting or via AROS boot parameters?


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Reply #109 on: December 16, 2020, 02:40:17 AM
Quote from: deadwood on December 16, 2020, 01:07:48 AM
Quote from: nikos on December 15, 2020, 06:28:53 PM

It should reset the OS, just like on real Amiga hardware. Not a complete reboot.

Do you have a version of AROS that does that? I tried Icaros 2.1 in VBox and it reboots the machine instead of reseting AROS.

Quote from: nikos on December 15, 2020, 06:28:53 PM
It is correct, I installed the ISO to HDD. I did a clean install with format and looking at the time of the files it is all the same so must be from same install.

Can you try booting from livecd and running SysExplorer from livecd to see if it crashes as well? I does not crash for me in VBox.

Almost on all ABI v.0 versions of AROS warm-reset is working including your 2016 version :)
When it did not work I'm most certain it was driver related, some hidd, but then it froze the machine and not turn off computer like like your 2017 version.

I tried the Live-CD of the new 2017 build and it is the same problem. SysExplorer crash and key combo. turn off hardware.

Edit:
I found out it is the native driver. On my hardware, IntelGMA.
Booting from VESA mode SystemExplorer does not crash. Key combo is still shutting down the computer.
« Last Edit: December 16, 2020, 03:31:06 AM by nikos »


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Reply #110 on: December 16, 2020, 03:06:22 AM
Quote from: deadwood on December 16, 2020, 01:09:09 AM
Quote from: mmartinka on December 15, 2020, 07:41:59 PM
I must disable IO-APIC then the boot.

Did you disable it in VM setting or via AROS boot parameters?
In the VM setting. AROS boot parameter me not work (ACPI=disable - is it correct?)


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Reply #111 on: December 16, 2020, 04:05:57 AM
Quote from: mmartinka on December 16, 2020, 03:06:22 AM
Quote from: deadwood on December 16, 2020, 01:09:09 AM
Quote from: mmartinka on December 15, 2020, 07:41:59 PM
I must disable IO-APIC then the boot.

Did you disable it in VM setting or via AROS boot parameters?
In the VM setting. AROS boot parameter me not work (ACPI=disable - is it correct?)

The boot parameters are:

noacpi -> disables ACPI
noapic -> disables IO APIC


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Reply #112 on: December 16, 2020, 04:14:34 AM
Quote from: nikos on December 16, 2020, 02:40:17 AM
Almost on all ABI v.0 versions of AROS warm-reset is working including your 2016 version :)
When it did not work I'm most certain it was driver related, some hidd, but then it froze the machine and not turn off computer like like your 2017 version.

I tried 20161228-1 in VBox and CTRL+ALT+DELETE restarts the complete VM. Seems this is hardware dependent. I'll update the bug report

Quote from: nikos on December 16, 2020, 02:40:17 AM
I tried the Live-CD of the new 2017 build and it is the same problem. SysExplorer crash and key combo. turn off hardware.

Edit:
I found out it is the native driver. On my hardware, IntelGMA.
Booting from VESA mode SystemExplorer does not crash. Key combo is still shutting down the computer.

That's what I suspected. I'll file in a bug report.


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Reply #113 on: December 16, 2020, 04:15:09 AM
Quote from: nikos on December 15, 2020, 06:28:53 PM
Quote from: deadwood on December 15, 2020, 05:56:34 PM
What should CTRL+ALT+DELETE do? W warm reboot of AROS or a complete reboot of a machine?
It should reset the OS, just like on real Amiga hardware. Not a complete reboot.

It is correct, I installed the ISO to HDD. I did a clean install with format and looking at the time of the files it is all the same so must be from same install.


Sorry but...


didn't warb reset (OS Only) trigger with Ctrl+lAmiga+rAmiga


and


cold (whole pc) reset trigger with Ctrl+Alt+Del?


I am quite sure Ctrl+Alt+Del should reset the whole PC, while Ctrl+lAmiga+rAmiga OS only.


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Reply #114 on: December 16, 2020, 04:42:48 AM
I think in this case, ctrl-alt-del should be disabled and ctrl-amiga-amiga should be a hard reset. it boots that quickly it doesn't really need a command just to restart the os(ctrl-amiga-amiga crashes my aros box anyway)

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Reply #115 on: December 16, 2020, 05:02:30 AM
Quote from: Devlin on December 16, 2020, 04:42:48 AM
I think in this case, ctrl-alt-del should be disabled and ctrl-amiga-amiga should be a hard reset. it boots that quickly it doesn't really need a command just to restart the os(ctrl-amiga-amiga crashes my aros box anyway)

Does it still crash with 20170402-2?


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Reply #116 on: December 16, 2020, 05:09:46 AM
Quote from: Devlin on December 16, 2020, 04:42:48 AM
I think in this case, ctrl-alt-del should be disabled and ctrl-amiga-amiga should be a hard reset. it boots that quickly it doesn't really need a command just to restart the os(ctrl-amiga-amiga crashes my aros box anyway)


I can't understand why. We've always had two different ways of resetting AROS, and there is no reason to kill one.
Ctrl+lAmiga+rAmiga for a warm reset
Ctrl+Alt+Del for a PC style cold reset.


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Reply #117 on: December 16, 2020, 05:27:51 AM
Quote from: Devlin on December 16, 2020, 04:42:48 AM
I think in this case, ctrl-alt-del should be disabled and ctrl-amiga-amiga should be a hard reset. it boots that quickly it doesn't really need a command just to restart the os(ctrl-amiga-amiga crashes my aros box anyway)
Don't be fooled. When AROS learns to do everything that other OS do during boot, it will slow down in the same way. It's only a matter of time.
Besides, the variety has not bothered anyone yet.


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Reply #118 on: December 16, 2020, 05:37:10 AM
I can't understand why. We've always had two different ways of resetting AROS, and there is no reason to kill one.
Ctrl+lAmiga+rAmiga for a warm reset
Ctrl+Alt+Del for a PC style cold reset.
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i agree


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Reply #119 on: December 16, 2020, 06:47:41 AM
Quote from: paolone on December 16, 2020, 04:15:09 AM
Quote from: nikos on December 15, 2020, 06:28:53 PM
Quote from: deadwood on December 15, 2020, 05:56:34 PM
What should CTRL+ALT+DELETE do? W warm reboot of AROS or a complete reboot of a machine?
It should reset the OS, just like on real Amiga hardware. Not a complete reboot.

It is correct, I installed the ISO to HDD. I did a clean install with format and looking at the time of the files it is all the same so must be from same install.


Sorry but...


didn't warb reset (OS Only) trigger with Ctrl+lAmiga+rAmiga


and


cold (whole pc) reset trigger with Ctrl+Alt+Del?


I am quite sure Ctrl+Alt+Del should reset the whole PC, while Ctrl+lAmiga+rAmiga OS only.

I always though that was the same. I did not know AROS supports a shut down key combo, but you are right.
On my DELL laptop I use CTRL+LWIN+MENU key
 
Anyway, warm-reset is not working with 2017 build on my DELL laptop, but works with 2016 build.
« Last Edit: December 16, 2020, 06:56:42 AM by nikos »


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