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on: April 18, 2023, 01:28:18 AM
Hello AROS-/Amgia-Community,

I have looked for a while for new OS I can using and found AROS. I tried it as VM and want to stay a longer while on finding out OS's functions and possiblities/usecases. I've been interested in OS developing some time ago and wanted to start gaining knowlegde over it now. So I decided to offically joining community in hope, I can increase usability of AROS in day-to-day-scenarios.

Hoping, I'll have a good time here with you.

Greetings,
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Out of topic: Does somebody have a tip to learn who AROS works (except Try-and-Error)?
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Reply #1 on: April 18, 2023, 01:36:41 AM
Hello Studenter and welcome to this community


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Reply #2 on: April 18, 2023, 04:41:37 AM
Greetings 

    Are you familiar with AmigaOS from the classic line of Commodore Amiga line of computers from CBM

You should check out the developement threads here

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Reply #3 on: April 18, 2023, 05:34:03 AM

Out of topic: Does somebody have a tip to learn who AROS works (except Try-and-Error)?

Do you mean "how"? I recommend joining the slack channel:
http://www.aros.org/contact.php#slack



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Reply #4 on: April 18, 2023, 07:02:31 AM
welcome to aros comunity I collaborate with some programmers and help them with donations The last effort was the porting of World Construction Set which is currently in beta but is functional

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Reply #5 on: April 18, 2023, 07:17:49 AM
Thanks for the welcomings.

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    Are you familiar with AmigaOS from the classic line of Commodore Amiga line of computers from CBM
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Well, I never had a Commodore. I informed myself over Commodore to get an overview, but buying one is atm not in range of possiblities. So I'm bounded on my VM and AROS One.


Out of topic: Does somebody have a tip to learn who AROS works (except Try-and-Error)?

Do you mean "how"? I recommend joining the slack channel:
http://www.aros.org/contact.php#slack

Ouh, typo. Yes, "how" was mean. I'll checking it out soon.



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Reply #6 on: April 18, 2023, 07:48:08 AM
So I'm bounded on my VM and AROS One.


Thank you for testing my Distribution, eventually you can also install AROS One native on PC, you can find PC compatible Hardware here:

https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Aros/Platforms/x86_Complete_System_HCL



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Reply #7 on: June 04, 2023, 11:12:51 AM
During approx. 1 month I am testing different AROS-Distros and stock-AROS on different computers and laptops from different producers but never got running or not rejecting device. The listed devices above are mainly not in range. Are there any hints or tricks to get closer suggestions of runability on a laptop or computer, which is not listed on cataloge?



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Reply #8 on: June 04, 2023, 11:24:46 AM
During approx. 1 month I am testing different AROS-Distros and stock-AROS on different computers and laptops from different producers but never got running or not rejecting device. The listed devices above are mainly not in range. Are there any hints or tricks to get closer suggestions of runability on a laptop or computer, which is not listed on cataloge?

Asus M2N68-AM SE2 is a 100% compatible motherboard (You can buy cheaply on Aliexpress).



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Reply #9 on: June 06, 2023, 11:29:41 PM
During approx. 1 month I am testing different AROS-Distros and stock-AROS on different computers and laptops from different producers but never got running or not rejecting device. The listed devices above are mainly not in range. Are there any hints or tricks to get closer suggestions of runability on a laptop or computer, which is not listed on cataloge?


That depends on entirely what your issues are.   There are workarounds for many issues but without knowing the issue at hand it's hard to help.    If you're having boot issues and have a null modem cable and a spare pc a boot log is always useful edit your grub line to include debug=serial I would try with an without sysdebug=all in the line as I have personally issues booting on machines with sysdebug=all enabled(corrupts the cpu initialization).   Now as far as hardware goes on a newer machine with an NVME drive you may need to add NVME=disable as the NVME driver could potentially cause lockups.  If you have USB3 only you have another issue all together as machines with USB3 only chipsets won't enable to legacy ports without XHCI drivers. You could buy a USB2 card I found a 4 port one on Amazon for $30 the biggest issue is it's got flakey initialization so works best if you use an external hub with it.  a 16C/32T chip there's another issue disable SMT and it'll boot.



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Reply #10 on: June 07, 2023, 02:17:30 PM
During approx. 1 month I am testing different AROS-Distros and stock-AROS on different computers and laptops from different producers but never got running or not rejecting device. The listed devices above are mainly not in range. Are there any hints or tricks to get closer suggestions of runability on a laptop or computer, which is not listed on cataloge?


That depends on entirely what your issues are.   There are workarounds for many issues but without knowing the issue at hand it's hard to help.    If you're having boot issues and have a null modem cable and a spare pc a boot log is always useful edit your grub line to include debug=serial I would try with an without sysdebug=all in the line as I have personally issues booting on machines with sysdebug=all enabled(corrupts the cpu initialization).   Now as far as hardware goes on a newer machine with an NVME drive you may need to add NVME=disable as the NVME driver could potentially cause lockups.  If you have USB3 only you have another issue all together as machines with USB3 only chipsets won't enable to legacy ports without XHCI drivers. You could buy a USB2 card I found a 4 port one on Amazon for $30 the biggest issue is it's got flakey initialization so works best if you use an external hub with it.  a 16C/32T chip there's another issue disable SMT and it'll boot.
I have one more recent Asus prime x370-pro, I've set Nvme=disable on grub and put my pen in my USB 2.0 ports still it stops in the second boot screen where it asks for media to boot from.
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menuentry "AROS (native graphics)" {
    multiboot /boot/pc/bootstrap.gz ATA=32bit NVME=disable
    module /boot/pc/kernel.gz
    module /boot/pc/aros-bsp.pkg.gz
    module /boot/aros-base.pkg.gz
    module /boot/aros-fs.pkg.gz
    module /boot/poseidon.pkg.gz
« Last Edit: June 08, 2023, 01:38:03 AM by pixie »



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Reply #11 on: June 09, 2023, 06:34:15 AM
Yes many users are used to aros for many years and know that it takes computers not too recent at least from the bios you must have the ability to use ATA compatibility, cmq there is no need to spend so much money fora workstation compatible with Windows 10



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Reply #12 on: June 09, 2023, 06:53:11 AM
Yes many users are used to aros for many years and know that it takes computers not too recent at least from the bios you must have the ability to use ATA compatibility, cmq there is no need to spend so much money fora workstation compatible with Windows 10
I just wanted it to kept using the usb drive.



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Reply #13 on: June 09, 2023, 07:29:41 AM
In this case if you have problems and want to use AROS the alternative and on virtual machine :-\



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Reply #14 on: June 09, 2023, 03:56:19 PM
During approx. 1 month I am testing different AROS-Distros and stock-AROS on different computers and laptops from different producers but never got running or not rejecting device. The listed devices above are mainly not in range. Are there any hints or tricks to get closer suggestions of runability on a laptop or computer, which is not listed on cataloge?


That depends on entirely what your issues are.   There are workarounds for many issues but without knowing the issue at hand it's hard to help.    If you're having boot issues and have a null modem cable and a spare pc a boot log is always useful edit your grub line to include debug=serial I would try with an without sysdebug=all in the line as I have personally issues booting on machines with sysdebug=all enabled(corrupts the cpu initialization).   Now as far as hardware goes on a newer machine with an NVME drive you may need to add NVME=disable as the NVME driver could potentially cause lockups.  If you have USB3 only you have another issue all together as machines with USB3 only chipsets won't enable to legacy ports without XHCI drivers. You could buy a USB2 card I found a 4 port one on Amazon for $30 the biggest issue is it's got flakey initialization so works best if you use an external hub with it.  a 16C/32T chip there's another issue disable SMT and it'll boot.
I have one more recent Asus prime x370-pro, I've set Nvme=disable on grub and put my pen in my USB 2.0 ports still it stops in the second boot screen where it asks for media to boot from.
Code: [Select]
menuentry "AROS (native graphics)" {
    multiboot /boot/pc/bootstrap.gz ATA=32bit NVME=disable
    module /boot/pc/kernel.gz
    module /boot/pc/aros-bsp.pkg.gz
    module /boot/aros-base.pkg.gz
    module /boot/aros-fs.pkg.gz
    module /boot/poseidon.pkg.gz

 Are your keyboard and mouse being initialized?   If not you have xhci with legacy emulated usb2 ports which won’t work. 

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« Last Edit: June 09, 2023, 03:59:30 PM by terminills »