Ambient for AROS

[pixie]

Since ambient is open sourced and based on MUI, I wonder why no one looked at it as a viable option for AROS using Zune. We had a time where MorphOS used some AROS components, it would be nice to return the favor!

[miker1264]

Since ambient is open sourced and based on MUI, I wonder why no one looked at it as a viable option for AROS using Zune. We had a time where MorphOS used some AROS components, it would be nice to return the favor!

That's a good idea if it could be made portable.

It would be great if Wayfarer came with it. 

I believe in cooperation between the development of Amiga-compatible operating systems.

[cdimauro]

Since ambient is open sourced and based on MUI, I wonder why no one looked at it as a viable option for AROS using Zune. We had a time where MorphOS used some AROS components, it would be nice to return the favor!

Maybe cause MorphOS's MUI version is more complete and/or advanced? Just an idea.

[pixie]

Maybe cause MorphOS's MUI version is more complete and/or advanced? Just an idea.

Well, we also have MUI 5 Open Sourced.

[AMIGASYSTEM]

Ambient is but an evolution of magellan, and it seems to carry some of its flaws, at least this I notice from emulation.

Among the quirks, windows cannot shrink "horizontally," you can only do so to a certain extent.

It handles DualPNG Icons (but corrupts them if you do any editing), uses icons with single PNG Images, you simply rename them .info.

If you create a "new folder folder" from Ambient, poor graphics, it will not be visible on AROS, OS4.1 or OS3

[pixie]

Ambient is but an evolution of magellan, and it seems to carry some of its flaws, at least this I notice from emulation.

Not to my knowledge, but if you have some evidence I would like to hear about it. BTW can't this flaw be from emulation itself? Ambient wasn't done yesterday, for sure it would be fixed by now if it was to happen like you say...

It handles DualPNG Icons (but corrupts them if you do any editing), uses icons with single PNG Images, you simply rename them .info.

If you create a "new folder folder" from Ambient, poor graphics, it will not be visible on AROS, OS4.1 or OS3

I for once doesn't see much problem with it's look, it's way better then most you see out there... It doesn't support the complete set of solutions of icons out there, I bet one can integrate some available code from wanderer if needed be

[cdimauro]

Bugs can be fixed, and missing functionalities added...

Maybe cause MorphOS's MUI version is more complete and/or advanced? Just an idea.

Well, we also have MUI 5 Open Sourced.

No, it's not. It only contains the documentation for the muimaster.library: https://github.com/amiga-mui/muidev/blob/master/files/muimaster.txt

[AMIGASYSTEM]

pixie, I never speak from theories or hearsay, everything I write is from my practical experience, I don't know if it is a flaw in the emulation, unfortunately I don't have a MAC to test natively, if anyone in this forum has a MAC they could confirm or deny, this is also for me to see if QEmu emulates MOS correctly.

On QEmu I also emulate AROS x86, MAC OS and OS4, and all 3 work very well.

I'll indulge you, I created a small video, showing how a DualPNG icon is transformed by adding a simple comment in the tooltypes, done this the DualPNG icon is immediately replaced with a MOS system icon.

In the video you can also see that the window can be shrunk vertically and not horizontally, again I don't know if it happens on native MOS as well.

Here is the video:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/16kczV5Zu5AcAGrFT8wqJ8KIBArZdfWFg/view?usp=share_link

[miker1264]

AMIGASYSTEM

I have a PowerMac G5 with dual 1.8Ghz PPC CPU's waiting to try MorphOS and Wayfarer. It also has 1GB of memory.

I wanted to get a Mac mini PPC for MorphOS but the PowerMac G5 will have to work for the moment.

I'm trying to resist my hoarder tendencies when it comes to computers and peripheral components. 

[AMIGASYSTEM]

Yes possibly do some testing, I am curious if Qemu emulation works !

[pixie]

I'll indulge you, I created a small video, showing how a DualPNG icon is transformed by adding a simple comment in the tooltypes, done this the DualPNG icon is immediately replaced with a MOS system icon.

In the video you can also see that the window can be shrunk vertically and not horizontally, again I don't know if it happens on native MOS as well.

Thanks for sharing the video, it makes the point accross very well. Regarding the windows resizing I think it might have to do with some ambient prefs setting, as for the icons, although they are displayed fine the editor seems to be very simple, in neither case it seems to be something that can't be sorted out.

PS- I've installed it myself, it's not as if you cannot resize it, what it happens is that it has a limit beyond you cannot  go any further.  So you can make it bigger, but it doesn't accept to go below a given size, which surely can be set elsewhere. We also have options related to icons on ambient settings, which I am not knowledge enough.

[Amiwell]

Since ambient is open sourced and based on MUI, I wonder why no one looked at it as a viable option for AROS using Zune. We had a time where MorphOS used some AROS components, it would be nice to return the favor!

That's a good idea if it could be made portable.

It would be great if Wayfarer came with it. 

I believe in cooperation between the development of Amiga-compatible operating systems.

It would take before the browser a modernization of the TCP stack, Odyssey still works well Deadwood is very busy but maybe in the future expect a gift from him

[AMIGASYSTEM]

@pixie

So my MOS emulation works fine then? you used a supported video card? that may also be what gives the restrictions in windows reduction.

However no OS I know windows reduction and blocked, shrinking windows in my opinion is very useful, especially when comparing several folders at once, otherwise there would not be the space to do it.

In addition, the Application GUIs also have restrictions in the GUI

Regarding Icons, consider that on MOS there is no Icon Edit, that its icons are simple single-sided PNGs.

All this does not happen on Wanderer as it does not happen on OS3 and OS4 !

[jPV]

Ambient's toolbar limits the minimum window width, you can't resize it smaller than the width of visible toolbar buttons. If you remove some of the buttons or disable the toolbar completely (Browser mode), then you can resize it smaller.

I reported the DualPNG issue to the MorphOS team, let's see if they fix it.

[AMIGASYSTEM]

Ok so the emulation was correct, the ToolBar preventing in my opinion is a limitation, as said also Application GUIs have the same problem, on other Amiga systems, Windowsthe ToolBar does not prevent shrinking GUIs or Windows. As said shrinking is very utille if you confont many windows at once !