Mountlist USB-Stick/CD/DVD AROS Hosted

[dizzy]

For hosted it needs poseidon/trident,fat and partition.library (at least for usb sticks) on linux side it needs libusb installed. I'm not sure if the vusbhci.device even builds these days, haven't tried it a long time.

It is really not so much of use in everyday aros use as it only can use a hotplugged usb device. e.g start aros and then plug a usb device. It only uses one hotplugged usb device at a time.

[magorium]

Ok thank you Dizzy. That is something i can work with.


Indeed i noticed in the source that it states to support one dedicated port. Better than none at all 

[AMIGASYSTEM]

@AMIGASYSTEM:
I wil not deny that (at the moment) scalos performance is (much) worse than wanderer when compared in the same situation.

No, no I was referring to Scalos, but to Wanderer and the slowness of the "USB mounted" volume, with the Poseidon/Trident mounting shown in Dizzy's video the windows and icons are much faster, say "normal" speed.

However now after a restart of Windows the speed has increased, probably too many tests had burdened Windows 

[magorium]

No, no I was referring to Scalos, but to Wanderer and the slowness of the "USB mounted" volume, with the Poseidon/Trident mounting shown in Dizzy's video the windows and icons are much faster, say "normal" speed

Slowness in comparison to what ? your current setup ? (*)


I compared speed on linux hosted (32 bit) between wanderer and scalos (the machine is a 64 bit machine though). Scalos is definitely slower all around. That same speed difference can also be seen when using removable media that is mounted on AROS.


Do you notice the "slowness" to be on a particular machine/hardware combination only ? Does your hardware perhaps share ports or does it perhaps use old USB 1.0 headers ?


(*) or are you trying to say that when you run AROS native on that same hardware (that you now run AROS hosted on) that browsing removable media is faster ?

[AMIGASYSTEM]

No, sadly my English seems to be misunderstood ...

I am not talking about Scalos/Wanderer difference

But of difference Mounting USB folder/Poseidon/Trident

However as mentioned, after a restart of Windows the speed is good

magorium, what is your native language? maybe if I translate from Italian to your Language, we understand each other better

I however your English translated into Italian I understand it well

[magorium]

No, sadly my English seems to be misunderstood ...

No problem. If we take that into account then we simply need some more descriptive language.

I am not talking about Scalos/Wanderer difference

Yeah, your previous post made that clear. I just wanted to state for the record that there is (at least for me) a speed difference between scalos and wanderer when used in the same setup.

But of difference Mounting USB folder/Poseidon/Trident

But the question remains: have you actually tested the difference in speed on the same hardware (native vs hosted) ?

magorium, what is your native language? maybe if I translate from Italian to your Language, we understand each other better

Unfortunately i only know the Italian words belissimo, mi amore and amiga  (and some curse words i am not going to write here, i wanted to stay positive)

My native tongue is Dutch.

Please don't worry/bother, we eventually get there with using English. It wil just will take a few more posts than usual.

[AMIGASYSTEM]

Native AROS is certainly by far the fastest of all, even if you only have the VESA Video Card, if you have a good Video Card and supported Sound Card the difference is even more tangible.

The Linux/Windows Hosted version of AROS is quite as fast as the VM, only the VM supports all the required Hardware except the Video Card, but as mentioned the VESA mode is great, a restriction only in 3D games.

Scalos is not slow, it just has graphical problems in my opinion, in fact you notice the slowness more with DualPNG Icons.

I never understood what the "native Dutch language" is, or always thought Dutch was a "Regional" language.
I manage and am a moderator of THIS Music site (Covered/Plagiarism), and I have noticed that Dutch Artists over the various decades have used a lot of German ligua in their songs, but also Austrian and French.

[magorium]

Native AROS is certainly by far the fastest of all, even if you only have the VESA Video Card, if you have a good Video Card and supported Sound Card the difference is even more tangible.

I know 

The Linux/Windows Hosted version of AROS is quite as fast as the VM, only the VM supports all the required Hardware except the Video Card, but as mentioned the VESA mode is great, a restriction only in 3D games.

I am also aware of that.

Although different people report different experiences with even so many different virtualization software. E.g. Virtualbox works perfect for me while qemu is slow as hell for me. Other people report the exact opposite or prefer to use vwmare as that work even better for them

Scalos is not slow, it just has graphical problems in my opinion, in fact you notice the slowness more with DualPNG Icons.

Especially the latter part is true. Note that original amiga hardware was/is never intended to use such graphical heavy type of icons. In that regards i can only put up a smile when i see someone posting that 32-bit dual png icons with abnormal size/dimensions are slow for them... Amiga WB is fast because of it's efficient use of its icon-type.

I never understood what the "native Dutch language" is, or always thought Dutch was a "Regional" language.

If it would be a regional language then there wouldn't be a whole country invented around it that uses that language as native mother tongue 

I manage and am a moderator of THIS Music site (Covered/Plagiarism), and I have noticed that Dutch Artists over the various decades have used a lot of German ligua in their songs, but also Austrian and French.

Unfortunately there is not a English (or Italian) page for the common mother language used in the past. It is called Diets.

Furthermore the Netherlands (in most present pasts) was occupied by the Spanish, French and German's. Especially the German language and Dutch language seem to sound alike a lot for foreigners but they definitely differ (Most German and Dutch people are unable to communicate with each other because of the language differences but people from neighbouring cities usually have no issues with that because of their use of dialects). The Diets ancestor language has even more similarities with German. In the end it all stems from the Germanic languages (see wikipedia)

But to get back on topic: My setups do not seem to suffer from speeds differences with regards to native vs hosted. There probably is but it is not noticeable for me.

[AMIGASYSTEM]

The 32Bit Icons on AROS but also on Amiga RTG (Emulated), are very fast, and represent the best Icons of all Operating systems both as quality and for the double image, on Linux, Windows the Icons are ugly, especially after the click.

In Italy, French and Spanish, have greatly influenced the dialects, particularly those of southern Italy where I live, in this part of Italy French and Spanish, have had dominance for many decades.

[magorium]

... and for the double image, on Linux, Windows the Icons are ugly, especially after the click.

Are you referring specifically to the default icon-set that is being used for AROS or are you referring to how scalos currently renders the images ?

In Italy, French and Spanish, have greatly influenced the dialects, particularly those of southern Italy where I live, in this part of Italy French and Spanish, have had dominance for many decades.

I honestly can't tell if there are any Spanish influences left in our language but for sure French is. We have a lot of French words (or descending from it) in our language and we only started to use last/family-names for commoners because the French demanded it around 1800's. That is why there are many last-names in our country that made/make no sense whatsoever, only to try and mock the French occupier back then. Before that we used Patronymic names.

[AMIGASYSTEM]

Are you referring specifically to the default icon-set that is being used for AROS or are you referring to how scalos currently renders the images ?

Mi riferisco alle icone native Windows e Linux, ma credo anche MAC, quando cliccate, invece della seconda immagine, mostrano solo la stessa immagine sbiadita.

I honestly can't tell if there are any Spanish influences left in our language but for sure French is. We have a lot of French words (or descending from it) in our language and we only started to use last/family-names for commoners because the French demanded it around 1800's. That is why there are many last-names in our country that made/make no sense whatsoever, only to try and mock the French occupier back then. Before that we used Patronymic names.

Yes Names, but also Surnames were influenced by French and Spanish in Southern Italy, in Northern Italy on the other hand many Names and Surnames were influenced by Austrian and Slavic and French Language.
After World War II English or rather American also influenced Italian Names, even the Italian Vocabulary is now full of English words.

[magorium]

Mi riferisco alle icone native Windows e Linux, ma credo anche MAC, quando cliccate, invece della seconda immagine, mostrano solo la stessa immagine sbiadita.

Aaah, now i understood what you meant.

I was still thinking in the AROS/Amiga context while you were speaking of native linux/windows icons.

Yes, I full-heartedly agree: they are ugly 

After World War II English or rather American also influenced Italian Names, even the Italian Vocabulary is now full of English words.

And here I was thinking it all was because of the darn internets .... 

But seriously the whole online crap has found it's way through our language in such a way that people try to use all fancy and flashy English buzz words to describe normal simple things that have a perfectly capable describing native counterpart. So simple things like for instance a dishwasher (as in someone washing the dishes) all of a sudden becomes an "professional industrial cleansing wizard". Especially job related activities and ads are using those kind of fancy descriptions (it literally sounds like raping your native language).

[AMIGASYSTEM]

Regarding Linux, if you try to look at my DualPNG Icons, it sees them just fine, but only as normal images PNG, Windows instead sees them as images if you rename from .INFO to .PNG

English or rather American influenced much before the arrival of the Internet, perhaps Television in the early 1960s was the first popularizer of English, see Advertisements, names of Detergents, Household Appliances, Street Signs, Advertising Signs, but also Songs, Movies, Fashion, in English gave a more professional touch.