Icaros Live 2.3 download missing components?

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on: February 22, 2023, 05:07:09 PM
Are the hosted mode tools deliberately missing from 2.3?  I extracted the zip, but only the iso and readme were present.  I validated the md5sum so I don't think it's a corrupted download.  I wanted to try 2.3 hosted under Linux since I've never had luck booting AROS under QEMU.



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Reply #1 on: February 22, 2023, 05:58:23 PM
AROS x86 with QEMU (Windows) works very well, so I suppose it works well with Linux too !
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Reply #2 on: February 22, 2023, 06:09:15 PM
What options did you give for the virtual machine's hardware?  Chipset, VGA, sound, NIC, disk type?  Are you using acceleration or just raw QEMU dynamic translation?



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Reply #3 on: February 22, 2023, 06:16:32 PM
Creating HarDisk AROS:
qemu-img create AROS.img xxxMB

Install AROS:
qemu-system-i386.exe -drive file=AROS.img -soundhw ac97 -cpu "qemu32" -m 1024 -vga std -netdev user,id=mynet0 -device pcnet,netdev=mynet0 -usb -cdrom C:\Users\Win7\Desktop\aros-pc-i386.iso -boot d

Start HD AROS
qemu-system-i386.exe -drive file=AROS.img -soundhw ac97 -cpu "qemu32" -m 1024 -vga std -netdev user,id=mynet0 -device pcnet,netdev=mynet0 -usb

Start HD + CD/DVD
qemu-system-i386.exe -drive file=AROS.img -soundhw ac97 -cpu "qemu32" -m 1024 -vga std -netdev user,id=mynet0 -device pcnet,netdev=mynet0 -usb -cdrom C:\Users\Win7\Desktop\aros-pc-i386.iso


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Reply #4 on: February 22, 2023, 11:35:22 PM
Are the hosted mode tools deliberately missing from 2.3?  I extracted the zip, but only the iso and readme were present.  I validated the md5sum so I don't think it's a corrupted download.  I wanted to try 2.3 hosted under Linux since I've never had luck booting AROS under QEMU.
The Icaros Desktop download contains an ISO file that you are suppose to boot and then install. You can try to do that natively or from inside a VM.

Information on how to setup a VM can be found in the Icaros Desktop Manual (see my sig).

The ISO file itself contains all the necessary files for a hosted installation. You could also opt for mounting the ISO to your host and copying out all required files (or start the installer directly from the mounted ISO) as there would be no need for any virtualization for a hosted installation.


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Reply #5 on: February 23, 2023, 02:11:35 AM
What options did you give for the virtual machine's hardware?  Chipset, VGA, sound, NIC, disk type?  Are you using acceleration or just raw QEMU dynamic translation?

I would add that on QEmu as with VMware and VirtualBox, everything is supported, unlike Hosted AROS where Network, Audio is not supported and where the filesystem has incompatibilities, for example a file or folder renamed from uppercase to lowercase will self-destruct, a problem also found on FAT32.


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Reply #6 on: February 23, 2023, 05:06:57 AM
Yes @Magorium has expressed well, you should use the hosted version if you use Ubuntu and derivatives in the manual there is written how to do

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Reply #7 on: February 23, 2023, 05:16:58 AM
sorry yes mount cdrom open in filemanager open the bash and run the script for install hosted version there is the option for the net select your device before install icaros ;)



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Reply #8 on: February 23, 2023, 09:14:23 AM
I would add that on QEmu as with VMware and VirtualBox, everything is supported, unlike Hosted AROS where Network, Audio is not supported and where the filesystem has incompatibilities, for example a file or folder renamed from uppercase to lowercase will self-destruct, a problem also found on FAT32.
I would personally agree that using a VM gives a nicer user experience but for development or a simple testdrive it is a crime (unless not installing AROS into the VM).

But you are not entirely correct with your statements there AMIGASYSTEM. Networking works like a charm, audio used to work (and there is preliminarily work on audio support for newer systems) , see also here

I have no idea about the filename casing but that seems rather a AROS related issue then a problem of the host, e.g. if i rename things from the host then everything works as expected. For more details also see deadwood's hybrid version of AROS that integrates with the host.


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Reply #9 on: February 23, 2023, 10:27:30 AM
will self-destruct, a problem also found on FAT32.

I would personally agree that using a VM gives a nicer user experience but for development or a simple testdrive it is a crime (unless not installing AROS into the VM).


This is subjective, installing AROS on a VM, particularly on VMware takes a couple of minutes, plus you can always boot an ISO in seconds, where almost anything can be tested, even using RAM Disk as a disk.

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But you are not entirely correct with your statements there AMIGASYSTEM. Networking works like a charm, audio used to work (and there is preliminarily work on audio support for newer systems) , see also here


Sorry, Network does not work on Hosted Windows, the problems are on Audio and Video, the videos are too fast, this can also affect the tests on Games.

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I have no idea about the filename casing but that seems rather a AROS related issue then a problem of the host, e.g. if i rename things from the host then everything works as expected. For more details also see deadwood's hybrid version of AROS that integrates with the host

No this is a problem with Wanderer which however does not destroy the files, on Dopus4 no problem, while on FAT32 also on Dopus4 the files disappear.

However I tested the latest Hosted Build and now the files are no longer destroyed, now there is only the problem that it cannot rename "already existing file" as with Wanderer
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Reply #10 on: February 23, 2023, 11:39:27 AM
What options did you give for the virtual machine's hardware?  Chipset, VGA, sound, NIC, disk type?  Are you using acceleration or just raw QEMU dynamic translation?

I would add that on QEmu as with VMware and VirtualBox, everything is supported, unlike Hosted AROS where Network, Audio is not supported and where the filesystem has incompatibilities, for example a file or folder renamed from uppercase to lowercase will self-destruct, a problem also found on FAT32.

Just to clarify the rename issue is a problem with WBRename in Wanderer. Rename in the shell works fine. There is no problem for renaming in fat.handler for Fat32.

It's a Wanderer issue.



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Reply #11 on: February 23, 2023, 03:11:58 PM
There is no problem for renaming in fat.handler for Fat32.

Yes miker, we have already discussed, are two different problems, but Dopus4 and Shell can rename only on Native (SFS Filesystem)

With AROS Hosted and FAT32 by shell it is not possible to rename "uppercase/ lowercase or vice versa" a file

I attach 2 screenshots showing what I wrote !

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