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Title: Hollywood Designer 5.0 now available for AROS!
Post by: airsoftsoftwair on April 20, 2020, 05:25:30 AM
Legends never die: Eight years after the release of Hollywood Designer 4.0, Airsoft Softwair, the hardest working men in code business, are finally proud to present the long awaited fifth incarnation of our famous Hollywood Designer. Hollywood Designer 5.0 is a multimedia authoring system that runs on top of Hollywood and can be used to create all sorts of multimedia-based applications, for example presentations, slide shows, games, and applications. Thanks to Hollywood, all multimedia applications created using Hollywood Designer can be exported as stand-alone executables for the following systems: AmigaOS3, AmigaOS4, WarpOS, MorphOS, AROS, Windows, macOS, Linux, Android, and iOS. This is a feature that is totally unique in the Amiga world!

Hollywood Designer 5.0 is a massive update and boasts lots of new features and improvements over the previous version, released almost 8 years ago. We do not want to bore you, so here are just some of them:

* Ready for Hollywood 8.0: Supremacy!
* Full Unicode support
* Guide and grid support for convenient layouting
* Multi-user support with advanced permission management
* Import objects from other projects
* Full support for Hollywood video layers
* Control bars for video objects
* Curves are now drawn as real Bézier splines - looks so much better!
* Multiple sound streams can be playing at the same time
* AROS version available for the first time
* Objects can be exported as images
* Full support for MUI 5.0 on all platforms
* New browse mode for projects
* Much more efficient I/O
* Support for presentation remotes
* Advanced search functionality
* Plugins can be linked to executables
* Lots of new action events
* Many more options for embedding custom code
* Full support for Hollywood 8.0's plugin interface
* Lots of other changes, optimizations and bug fixes

Hollywood Designer is no longer limited to "just" being an authoring software, it can now also be used as a flexible graphics editor because it supports many features of modern graphics editors like multiple layers with over 30 filter effects, vector graphics, image import, and text.

Having been in development for almost 20 years, Hollywood Designer 5.0 is a very stable and mature multimedia authoring system. We would like to emphasize that it is not only suited for personal use, but also for professional commercial customers. Ferrule Media (http://www.ferrule-media.no), for instance, have created an info channel containing over 2000 (!) unique slides in a single project with Hollywood Designer. Hollywood Designer was designed to handle these huge projects efficiently so that they can run 24 hours a day and 7 days a week without any visible memory fragmentation! Ferrule Media's info channel, created with Hollywood Designer, is running in dental clinics all over Norway.

Hollywood Designer 5.0 is available as a CD and a download version. There are native versions of the program for AmigaOS3 (m68k), WarpOS (ppc), MorphOS (ppc), AmigaOS4 (ppc), and AROS (x86). If you already own a previous version of Hollywood Designer, you can buy a discounted upgrade version. People who bought Hollywood Designer 4.0 in 2020 can request a free upgrade.

Please note that Hollywood Designer 5.0 runs on top of the Multimedia Application Layer Hollywood 8.0. Thus, Hollywood 8.0 is strictly required for Hollywood Designer 5.0. Both programs are available in a special bundle which is the ultimate package for every power Amiga user who wants to see what his system can do with Hollywood 8.0 & Hollywood Designer 5.0.

Please consider buying Hollywood Designer 5.0 to show your support for our massive Amiga development efforts. Power up your Amiga system with Hollywood 8.0 & Hollywood Designer 5.0 and order now (http://www.hollywood-mal.com/purchase.html)!

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Brought to you by Airsoft Softwair - the hardest working men in code business.

For more information please visit the official Hollywood portal at http://www.hollywood-mal.com/
Title: Re: Hollywood Designer 5.0 now available for AROS!
Post by: Amiwell on April 20, 2020, 05:52:29 AM
thank you very much ;)
Title: Re: Hollywood Designer 5.0 now available for AROS!
Post by: x-vision on April 20, 2020, 01:53:54 PM
Great news and wonderful work! Congrats!! and thanks a lot for supporting AROS for the first time.  :D

Stay tuned for the new versions of the OS with 64 bits and modern OpenGL to support them in future versions.
Title: Re: Hollywood Designer 5.0 now available for AROS!
Post by: airsoftsoftwair on April 21, 2020, 10:26:59 AM
By the way, I'm trying to get some more AROS customers. What would be the best way to make this release known to as many AROS users as possible? Thanks!
Title: Re: Hollywood Designer 5.0 now available for AROS!
Post by: Amiwell on April 21, 2020, 01:58:49 PM
I will take a copy of designers, however you are in the right place as far as advertising is concerned, here you are in the right place, even if many users do not intervene in the threads however they read the news
Title: Re: Hollywood Designer 5.0 now available for AROS!
Post by: paolone on April 21, 2020, 02:10:28 PM
By the way, I'm trying to get some more AROS customers. What would be the best way to make this release known to as many AROS users as possible? Thanks!
Hi, I have written a post about it on icarosdesktop.org. Now I'll bounce the news over our distribution's Facebook page, hoping it will help.
Title: Re: Hollywood Designer 5.0 now available for AROS!
Post by: airsoftsoftwair on April 22, 2020, 05:10:53 AM
Thanks a lot!
Title: Re: Hollywood Designer 5.0 now available for AROS!
Post by: paolone on April 22, 2020, 05:19:45 AM
Thanks a lot!


In 15 hours, the facebook message reached 600+ people, got 7 comments and has been shared by 6 people. My site's dashboard tells me that the post has been read 110 times. It's a good result, after all.
Title: Re: Hollywood Designer 5.0 now available for AROS!
Post by: airsoftsoftwair on April 23, 2020, 05:36:26 AM
In 15 hours, the facebook message reached 600+ people, got 7 comments and has been shared by 6 people. My site's dashboard tells me that the post has been read 110 times. It's a good result, after all.

Quite impressing, thanks! I've always been rather reluctant concerning social media but I guess that's the way to reach people now...
Title: Re: Hollywood Designer 5.0 now available for AROS!
Post by: miker1264 on April 23, 2020, 08:04:31 PM
It seems to be very useful software but it's rather expensive.
Title: Re: Hollywood Designer 5.0 now available for AROS!
Post by: paolone on April 24, 2020, 04:44:32 AM
It seems to be very useful software but it's rather expensive.


Sad, true, but necessary. Other platforms may have great and free alternatives, but if you plan to make a living with software for Amiga systems, you need to make user pay for your solutions. Andreas Falkenhan is a very collaborative guy, making a great development tool and environment for our systems, which have the pro of compiling software for other lucrative platforms as well, and deserve our help.





Title: Re: Hollywood Designer 5.0 now available for AROS!
Post by: ntromans on April 24, 2020, 07:22:35 AM
It seems to be very useful software but it's rather expensive.

It's worth every penny. Whilst in lockdown I've been producing distance learning apps using Hollywood on my AROS box and then with a simple recompile I'm distributing to Windows, Linux, MacOS and Android platforms to maximise the ability of my students to run the software. Also, the range of freely downloadable plugins is mindboggling - the RapaGUI universal GUI alone has to be worth the asking price of Hollywood.

Saying all that, I've been dragging my feet upgrading to Hollywood 8 (basically just been too busy to get around to it), but with Designer 5 available for now for AROS I'll be upgrading over the weekend.

Cheers,
Nigel.
Title: Re: Hollywood Designer 5.0 now available for AROS!
Post by: airsoftsoftwair on April 24, 2020, 09:09:00 AM
@paolone & ntromans:
Thanks a lot for your support!

It seems to be very useful software but it's rather expensive.

You have to see what you're getting for the price. Not only Hollywood and Designer but also over 30 plugins for 10+ different platforms. Just take a look at the size of the documentation:

Hollywood: 1034 pages
Hollywood SDK: 418 pages
GL Galore: 266 pages
hURL: 300 pages
MUI Royale: 330 pages
Polybios: 180 pages
RapaGUI: 287 pages

That's almost 3000 pages which should give you an idea what is possible with the software so I don't think it's too expensive. Of course, if the market was bigger I could lower the price but that's not possible in a market as small as this...

Title: Re: Hollywood Designer 5.0 now available for AROS!
Post by: Amiwell on April 24, 2020, 12:20:21 PM
@miker many people who use it year started from scratch with programming and in a very short time they did very good things, I don't understand English otherwise I would have read the manuals willingly, anyway I want to make the purchase on my system there must be a software of this type, I want to see how designers behave and then I want to contribute and I hope many will do it :)
Title: Re: Hollywood Designer 5.0 now available for AROS!
Post by: miker1264 on April 25, 2020, 11:02:52 AM
@airsoftsoftwair

"That's almost 3000 pages which should give you an idea what is possible with the software so I don't think it's too expensive. Of course, if the market was bigger I could lower the price but that's not possible in a market as small as this..."

I have a few questions...

As a programmer I'd like to know...

1. Can I just read the documentation before purchase?
2. Can I try the software or do I have to purchase it first?
3. I want to know how to connect existing code to Hollywood GUI's.
4. I want to know about plugins how they work and what's available.
5. Also if I purchase Hollywood for AROS do I have to purchase it again for Windows? Is the license good for multiple platforms? Do I have to purchase each new version or simply upgrade?
Title: Re: Hollywood Designer 5.0 now available for AROS!
Post by: airsoftsoftwair on April 26, 2020, 05:22:32 AM
@airsoftsoftwair

"That's almost 3000 pages which should give you an idea what is possible with the software so I don't think it's too expensive. Of course, if the market was bigger I could lower the price but that's not possible in a market as small as this..."

I have a few questions...

As a programmer I'd like to know...

1. Can I just read the documentation before purchase?

Sure, just take a look here: http://www.hollywood-mal.com/help.html

2. Can I try the software or do I have to purchase it first?

No, a demo version is not available. But you can check out the documentation to see if it fits your needs. Also, all plugins are available for free download so you can check out those as well.

3. I want to know how to connect existing code to Hollywood GUI's.

You can download both MUI Royale and RapaGUI plugins and study the source code to see what it's like.

4. I want to know about plugins how they work and what's available.

See here: http://www.hollywood-mal.com/download.html All plugins are available for free download so you can check them out even without having to buy Hollywood first.

5. Also if I purchase Hollywood for AROS do I have to purchase it again for Windows? Is the license good for multiple platforms? Do I have to purchase each new version or simply upgrade?

You get a single-user multi-platform license, i.e. you get Hollywood for all platforms supported. You can install this on as many machines and platforms you like as long as you are the only one who is using it. Updates are often paid updates. Once again, this is because of the small market. Development is mainly financed by selling updates to existing users nowadays. However, sometimes there are also free updates, e.g. Hollywood 7.1 was a free one.
Title: Re: Hollywood Designer 5.0 now available for AROS!
Post by: miker1264 on April 26, 2020, 09:16:05 AM
@airsoftsoftwair

That all sounds very reasonable. I'll check it out. Thanks.

One last question. For Plugins like RapaGUI and MUI Royale that you mention do the plugins work everywhere that Hollywood works? I'm especially interested in AROS and Amiga OS. Will MUI Royale work on IcarosDesktop?

I was under the impression that MUI Royale only worked with MorphOS. But hopefully it works with AROS also using Hollywood. Hollywood with plugins may be exactly the type of GUI designer that AROS and Amiga OS needs!

My immediate use would be to use MUI Royale on IcarosDesktop to make a User Interface consisting of a Drawing Area and Command Buttons with a Menu System. The Drawing Area will be used with OpenGL for Viewports to display 3D Wireframes for a 3D Rendering Program for AROS. If Hollywood is Multiplatform it would be easier to make the finished program for other platforms as well.

If Hollywood and MUI Royale can do all of this then it's certainly worth the investment.  :)
Title: Re: Hollywood Designer 5.0 now available for AROS!
Post by: Samurai_Crow on April 26, 2020, 04:51:43 PM
@miker1264

You'll need the GL Galore plug-in to use OpenGL.  Check the docs for that to see if it suits your purposes.  MUI Royale lets you open a Hollywood pass-through draw frame but I'm not sure if that can take an OpenGL context.
Title: Re: Hollywood Designer 5.0 now available for AROS!
Post by: ntromans on April 26, 2020, 05:29:27 PM
@airsoftsoftwair

That all sounds very reasonable. I'll check it out. Thanks.

One last question. For Plugins like RapaGUI and MUI Royale that you mention do the plugins work everywhere that Hollywood works? I'm especially interested in AROS and Amiga OS. Will MUI Royale work on IcarosDesktop?

I was under the impression that MUI Royale only worked with MorphOS. But hopefully it works with AROS also using Hollywood. Hollywood with plugins may be exactly the type of GUI designer that AROS and Amiga OS needs!

My immediate use would be to use MUI Royale on IcarosDesktop to make a User Interface consisting of a Drawing Area and Command Buttons with a Menu System. The Drawing Area will be used with OpenGL for Viewports to display 3D Wireframes for a 3D Rendering Program for AROS. If Hollywood is Multiplatform it would be easier to make the finished program for other platforms as well.

If Hollywood and MUI Royale can do all of this then it's certainly worth the investment.  :)

Yes, MUIRoyale works well on AROS, with just a few issues compared to say MorphOS due to bugs or incomplete features in Zune. It will work on Amiga OS  too, but obviously will be slower on classic hardware. However, if you're thinking of using your program for non-Amigaoid systems then go straight for RapaGUI; there's a lot of overlap between the two but also some differences, so it would save headaches in the long-run to start with RapaGUI.

@miker1264

You'll need the GL Galore plug-in to use OpenGL.  Check the docs for that to see if it suits your purposes.  MUI Royale lets you open a Hollywood pass-through draw frame but I'm not sure if that can take an OpenGL context.

An embedded Hollywood display should be able to do anything a normal display can, so I don't think that would be a problem, but if was I'd go for a multi-window approach with toollbars made up using RapaGUI and a seperate Hollywood display for the 3D content.

Cheers,
Nigel.

Title: Re: Hollywood Designer 5.0 now available for AROS!
Post by: miker1264 on April 26, 2020, 05:47:30 PM
@ntromans

"Yes, MUIRoyale works well on AROS, with just a few issues"

I've read that MUI Royale and Hollywood don't have a dedicated IDE for Amiga OS so something like Cubic IDE or Codebench is needed.

Is the same true for AROS? What type of IDE is available for AROS? How would MUI Royale run on AROS? I'm just curious.

I wonder if it's possible to use MUI Royale as a Hollywood Plugin to generate an MUI GUI and then export the MUI code to a file to be used in other applications? That would make it very useful. Although Hollywood probably has lots of useful features MUI GUI Export would be really nice!  :)

In that case using something like Codebench on Amiga OS 4 with Hollywood and MUI Royale to generate an MUI GUI might be a good option if there's no suitable IDE for AROS.
Title: Re: Hollywood Designer 5.0 now available for AROS!
Post by: airsoftsoftwair on April 27, 2020, 04:26:42 AM
I've read that MUI Royale and Hollywood don't have a dedicated IDE for Amiga OS so something like Cubic IDE or Codebench is needed.
Is the same true for AROS? What type of IDE is available for AROS? How would MUI Royale run on AROS? I'm just curious.

Hollywood only comes with an IDE on Windows but it can easily be integrated into other IDEs. I don't know if AROS has any IDE but if it does, it probably could be made to support Hollywood quite easily. So far there are Hollywood extensions for Cubic IDE, Codebench, FlowStudio (MorphOS), UltraEdit, vim, Notepad++ and Visual Studio Code. Once again, see here for a download: http://www.hollywood-mal.com/download.html

I wonder if it's possible to use MUI Royale as a Hollywood Plugin to generate an MUI GUI and then export the MUI code to a file to be used in other applications? That would make it very useful.

Yes, that should be possible. With MUI Royale GUIs are simply defined in XML and so you could easily write a MUI Royale program that exports such XML.
Title: Re: Hollywood Designer 5.0 now available for AROS!
Post by: ntromans on April 27, 2020, 06:47:18 AM
@ntromans

"Yes, MUIRoyale works well on AROS, with just a few issues"

I've read that MUI Royale and Hollywood don't have a dedicated IDE for Amiga OS so something like Cubic IDE or Codebench is needed.

Is the same true for AROS? What type of IDE is available for AROS? How would MUI Royale run on AROS? I'm just curious.

I wonder if it's possible to use MUI Royale as a Hollywood Plugin to generate an MUI GUI and then export the MUI code to a file to be used in other applications? That would make it very useful. Although Hollywood probably has lots of useful features MUI GUI Export would be really nice!  :)

In that case using something like Codebench on Amiga OS 4 with Hollywood and MUI Royale to generate an MUI GUI might be a good option if there's no suitable IDE for AROS.

As explained in the post above, what you do is create an xml file defining the interface and then the plugin creates this interface by you feeding the xml file into a function. You could of course use the xml file definition in another project, but it would be just that - a defintion with no actual code. What you could do is create  just the user interface in Hollywood, using the xml file and Hollywood code, and then integrate this with other code e.g. written in C via Arexx messaging, as Hoolywood supports this.

Cheers,
Nigel.
Title: Re: Hollywood Designer 5.0 now available for AROS!
Post by: miker1264 on April 27, 2020, 09:23:58 AM
Also what was hinted at above...

As for MUI Royale just use MUI Royale itself to make a Hollywood App that would translate the XML directly to MUI code and export it.  :)

Now that would be a good reason to use Hollywood.
Title: Re: Hollywood Designer 5.0 now available for AROS!
Post by: miker1264 on April 27, 2020, 12:10:29 PM
@airsoftsoftwair

"Yes, that should be possible. With MUI Royale GUIs are simply defined in XML and so you could easily write a MUI Royale program that exports such XML."

Could it be made a part of MUI Royale much like mui.CreateGUI but rather mui.ExportGUI ? Are the sources of MUI Royale part of Hollywood ?

If the sources of MUI Royale Plugin are available on the Hollywood SDK or with Hollywood itself that would be reason enough for me to purchase Hollywood.

Although it might take some time, using Hollywood and MUI Royale I envision a program such as similar to MUI Builder XML that allows us to graphically assemble an MUI GUI that can then output an MUI GUI and/or an XML file that can be used with MUI Royale and Hollywood to quickly and easily produce a Cross Platform Hollywood App.

I wonder if there are more advanced tutorials to show how to link real C code to MUI Royale Apps that interact with Dos and Exec and various Libraries on AROS and Amiga OS?

On the Purchase page I see Hollywood 8 for "Amiga, Windows, Mac OS, Linux" but where is the AROS version?

I use Scintilla Text Editor. It supports XML with Syntax Highlighting. Is there a Syntax Highlighting available for Hollywood for use with Scintilla ?

Title: Re: Hollywood Designer 5.0 now available for AROS!
Post by: Samurai_Crow on April 28, 2020, 03:31:42 PM
MUI Royale doesn't have an export function, nor available source code but Hollywood can link the plugin into the executable files as long as the licenses are respected.

I've been thinking of making a RapaGUI exporter since the RemedIOS exporter for the Mac to generate iOS executables doesn't have a RapaGUI plugin yet.  However, RemedIOS does allow native GUIs using the Sketch file format.

Finally, "Amiga" plugin and purchase options include AROS and MorphOS via installer scripts.
Title: Re: Hollywood Designer 5.0 now available for AROS!
Post by: miker1264 on April 28, 2020, 04:50:49 PM
Good to know. I look forward to purchasing Hollywood before the end of next week. Then the fun begins!
Title: Re: Hollywood Designer 5.0 now available for AROS!
Post by: miker1264 on April 30, 2020, 10:23:53 AM
Using XML to represent MUI code is a nice concept. At first glance while reading documentation and looking at samples it seems that the XML is easier to understand for a beginner than full blown MUI code and it is well documented.

That is a great strength of Hollywood and MUI Royale. There is plenty of documentation. For MUI Royale I wish that the screenshots included with the samples were a bit larger and clearer. And it's great to have an introductory tutorial but there should be an advanced tutorial dealing with MUI Hooks and interaction with Library Functions. Maybe I haven't read that far?

Apparently Hollywood receives Notification from the EvenHandler of a Button Press. Then we use "mui.DoMethod(...MUIM_CallHook...)" to call the function to interact with the Library Function. How do you express a Hook Function in XML? Or does that get defined in Hollywood such as a Hook Function to Get a Dos List of Devices or Volumes? Where do include declarations for Libraries go? I wish there were better documentation for that. Maybe I missed it somewhere?

One example for an advanced tutorial would be something like DiskImage GUI and how it uses MUI Hooks and Notificatios to interact with Dos and Exec Library Functions. Another example would be an app that interacts with ADFLib to produce ADF and HDF files.

Using the XML files it seems possible to re-use gui modules to quickly and easily put together many useful apps. I look forward to using Hollywood and MUI Royale.
Title: Re: Hollywood Designer 5.0 now available for AROS!
Post by: Samurai_Crow on April 30, 2020, 03:31:07 PM
To access internals of AROS is reserved for custom plugins.  Hollywood has one data structure called a table (as in hash table).  If you pass a list into anything, chances are it's in a table.  What "arrays" in Hollywood are are tables with numeric keys.  There are a few commands to manage that arrangement.
Title: Re: Hollywood Designer 5.0 now available for AROS!
Post by: miker1264 on April 30, 2020, 05:33:45 PM
To access an External Library such as ADFLib would that require a custom Plugin to extend the Hollywood internal commands to access those functions? So in that sense a Plugin would be a Wrapper for a Library or Custom Set of Functions?

Ah. I found the information in Hollywood SDK for Library Plugins using LUA C and Tables. Whew!!
Title: Re: Hollywood Designer 5.0 now available for AROS!
Post by: Amiwell on April 30, 2020, 05:51:12 PM
sorry I'm not a programmer but a designer needs hollywood to be used
Title: Re: Hollywood Designer 5.0 now available for AROS!
Post by: airsoftsoftwair on May 11, 2020, 05:43:49 AM
On the Purchase page I see Hollywood 8 for "Amiga, Windows, Mac OS, Linux" but where is the AROS version?

According to my definition Amiga means AmigaOS 3, AmigaOS 4, AROS, MorphOS and WarpOS :)

Btw, I like your idea to create something like MUI Builder with MUI Royale or RapaGUI. That's definitely something that would be very useful for many people. There have been attempts to do that before but AFAIR it was never finished. Here is their homepage: https://myevolve.wordpress.com/
Title: Re: Hollywood Designer 5.0 now available for AROS!
Post by: miker1264 on May 21, 2020, 06:37:48 PM
It looks like Evolve was very promising. But it wasn't finished. Something like that working with MUI Royale to generate MUI user interfaces that could be used in other projects would be quite useful. Even if it's a commercial product sold for a fair amount I'm sure there would be many people interested in it.

I purchased Hollywood 8.0 just now. I know I'm a little late. I intended to do it last week. Now the fun begins. I'd like to try to write an ADF Plugin for Hollywood that can make empty adf and hdf files for use with programs like diskimage.device. I see there is a sample PCX plugin but I wonder if there is a sample app using the pcx plugin?

Working up to the adf plugin I'm writing the c code and testing it with an AROS filemanager as a menu button. Make ADF at the moment will create a blank adf file.
Title: Re: Hollywood Designer 5.0 now available for AROS!
Post by: Amiwell on May 22, 2020, 12:03:33 AM
I have it too I will take the package not now though :)
Title: Re: Hollywood Designer 5.0 now available for AROS!
Post by: airsoftsoftwair on May 22, 2020, 04:28:55 AM
I purchased Hollywood 8.0 just now.

Thanks for the support!

I know I'm a little late. I intended to do it last week. Now the fun begins. I'd like to try to write an ADF Plugin for Hollywood that can make empty adf and hdf files for use with programs like diskimage.device. I see there is a sample PCX plugin but I wonder if there is a sample app using the pcx plugin?

That's not necessary. As soon as the PCX plugin is installed, all image loading functions will automatically be able to handle PCX images.
Title: Re: Hollywood Designer 5.0 now available for AROS!
Post by: miker1264 on May 22, 2020, 07:56:25 PM
I like the user interface for Hollywood 8.0 but it only seems to work on AROS x86.
Do you plan a future AROS x86-64 version for 64bit systems?

What I thought was an instability problem with AROS x86 was actually a stability problem
using Magellan. Randomly when I clicked a drawer to open it in AROS Hosted on Linux it
would crash the system. That was preventing me from using Hollywood. But when I quit
Magellan and switched to Wanderer instead everything was stable again. No crashes!!
That's good. But a 64bit version of Hollywood would be nice to use on AROS 64bit systems.

At first glance it looks like ADF Plugin will be made as a Library Plugin with special functions.
It will certainly be an adventure. I searched the forum and examples but curiously I didn't find
any examples of Hollywood Scripts to load and display images such as PCX and TIFF. Image
formats are one of the areas of interest for me. Making image plug-ins would be fun and useful.
I found a sample script called "ImageLab" that may be interesting as far as displaying images.

It seems I must return a list of commands for Hollywood: struct hwCmdStruct plugin_commands[]
then call them from my Hollywood App: testplugin.TestFunc(). For ADF Plugin there are only three
functions: CreateFile, CreateDevice, CreateVolume. The rest are just helper functions in the plugin.

From a Multi-Media perspective Hollywood seems very useful. But for Library Functions that will
require special Plug-Ins it requires extra effort especially if the c code already exists. Hollywood
would be much more useful for someone like me if it could export the MUI user interfaces as c
code modules that can be used in other projects. That kind of flexibility would really sell Hollywood.

Looking at Evolve the tabbed interface makes it very appealing. An app such as that which can
be used to assemble Hollywood Scripts, MUI user interfaces and custom Library Plugins with
custom user functions would be optimal and highly useful from a programming perspective.
Maybe someday someone will put together something like that. Till then - we use the old way!
Title: Re: Hollywood Designer 5.0 now available for AROS!
Post by: Amiwell on May 23, 2020, 09:16:14 AM
i don't think x64 is still stable at least i tried to start it on my computer and it doesn't work, until it will be at abiv0 levels hardly andreas could think of porting his software on it  :-\
Title: Re: Hollywood Designer 5.0 now available for AROS!
Post by: miker1264 on May 23, 2020, 12:45:50 PM
Explain how AROS 64 bit doesn't work? What specifically?

I had a lot of instability on IcarosDesktop 32bit. But yesterday I concluded it was a problem with Magellan. I changed to Wanderer and everything works quite well.
Title: Re: Hollywood Designer 5.0 now available for AROS!
Post by: Amiwell on May 23, 2020, 01:21:44 PM
at boot there is a problem with ata device
Title: Re: Hollywood Designer 5.0 now available for AROS!
Post by: miker1264 on May 23, 2020, 04:59:50 PM
At boot? How are you attempting to boot AROS? Live DVD? After install ? AROS 64bit Hosted on Linux will boot just fine. That's what I use for programming and testing. AROS 64bit Native just after install won't boot. Possible ata device driver issue. The problem is that AROS 64bit isn't getting any love and attention!!
Title: Re: Hollywood Designer 5.0 now available for AROS!
Post by: Amiwell on May 24, 2020, 06:08:25 AM
I don't know what to say maybe with the necessary time you can have a stable version :)
Title: Re: Hollywood Designer 5.0 now available for AROS!
Post by: jacko on May 24, 2020, 12:27:48 PM
I think it’s too early for a x64 version, it’s still too unstable, not possible to compile on AROS and so on.

But I’m very disappointed that there is no ARM Version. Which works very nicely in AEROS on Raspi. But sadly not much software available for it, I think it would be the perfect machine for AROS, but that’s only me.
Title: Re: Hollywood Designer 5.0 now available for AROS!
Post by: Amiwell on May 24, 2020, 01:07:17 PM
I use abiv0 on a very normal pc, it is not a new generation but it is completely exploited
Title: Re: Hollywood Designer 5.0 now available for AROS!
Post by: miker1264 on May 24, 2020, 10:03:16 PM
AROS 64 bit Hosted works very well. It's also very stable. If a program compiles and works on 64bit. It also works on 32bit.

Just because AROS 64bit Native won't boot doesn't mean it's unstable. Using Magellan on IcarosDesktop 32bit Hosted on Linux was very unstable. When opening drawers Magellan was returning invalid data causing X11 errors. Switching to Wanderer fixed the problem. AROS itself wasn't the problem. Magellan was.

I'd like to see a Hollywood 64bit version for AROS. But 32bit is sufficient for the moment.
Title: Re: Hollywood Designer 5.0 now available for AROS!
Post by: Amiwell on May 25, 2020, 09:13:35 AM
yes I read yesterday on the aros project page that the hosted version is stable :)
Title: Re: Hollywood Designer 5.0 now available for AROS!
Post by: jacko on May 25, 2020, 05:14:40 PM
Sadly I cannot agree with that statement. 64 Bit AROS hosted is still too unstable to use. Very basic programs like gcc crashes completely. Others like Ed crash on some menu items and so on and so on. Really no fun now, much work todo.
Title: Re: Hollywood Designer 5.0 now available for AROS!
Post by: miker1264 on May 26, 2020, 09:26:00 AM
It sounds like gcc and Ed and other programs have much work to do if they crash on 64bit. That means they aren't programmed correctly. AROS 64BIT Hosted is very stable as I said. It's up to the authors of various programs to make them compatible.

I'm in the process of making some programs 64bit compatible. One big difference is that if a program isn't completely working on AROS 32bit it may have some small issues or it freezes at times. Not so on AROS 64bit. If it isn't programmed correctly in many cases it will crash the system! Which is a good thing.

But you shouldn't confuse the stability of 64bit programs with the stability of AROS 64bit itself.

We were talking about a 64bit version of Hollywood in the future. There are 64bit versions for Windows and Mac OS. It would be nice to be able to choose 32bit or 64bit for AROS. But that is up to the author whether it is possible.
Title: Re: Hollywood Designer 5.0 now available for AROS!
Post by: Amiwell on May 26, 2020, 12:14:13 PM
well if i had to program i bought it hollywood with designer for me it's a lot of money 146 euros, rather i fund some programmer for some new apps like i'm already doing :)
Title: Re: Hollywood Designer 5.0 now available for AROS!
Post by: miker1264 on May 26, 2020, 12:31:39 PM
Hollywood for me is much more useful than "Designer". At 99 Euros that's a good price.

If someday we have "MUI Designer" much like "Evolve" I would buy that too! :-)
Title: Re: Hollywood Designer 5.0 now available for AROS!
Post by: Amiwell on May 26, 2020, 01:36:53 PM
i am not a programmer i am a simple user :)
Title: Re: Hollywood Designer 5.0 now available for AROS!
Post by: miker1264 on May 26, 2020, 02:43:38 PM
99 Euros is a good price even for simple users.  8)
Title: Re: Hollywood Designer 5.0 now available for AROS!
Post by: Amiwell on May 26, 2020, 03:05:33 PM
thank you ;)
Title: Re: Hollywood Designer 5.0 now available for AROS!
Post by: Amiwell on May 27, 2020, 10:37:23 AM
as a simple user, however, I'm interested in designers but I know that it gives the best of itself with hollywood and then it is a complete package to have absolutely I know, when I have the chance I will buy it :)
Title: Re: Hollywood Designer 5.0 now available for AROS!
Post by: Amiwell on June 06, 2020, 01:57:59 PM
my monthly budget since I haven't worked for a long time is very small, for the moment I decided to continue with the support of some programmer to have more applications, the release and programming of RNODTP was born from my spontaneous request, we will see which will be the next applications to be sponsored always on the will of the programmer