AROS World Exec
General => Help => Topic started by: Vic Zoltar Dr3amusic on February 18, 2020, 06:53:32 AM
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I've been using Icaros a little in the past in a Virtual Machine, but now I need a full Amiga system compatible, so I chose one of my spare computers to be used to install a native copy of Icaros... but there's no way I can do it.
It even fails to load from the CD the first time.
The computer has an ASUS PK5KPL-AM IN/ROEM/SI motherboard, equipped with 1GB of RAM and an Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600.
I even tried in a Pentium 4 and it still refuses to load :-o
Could it be some kind of incompatibility for being a beta version? (I tried the last one)
Could it be that the computer has a GFX card included in the mainboard?
What could be happening?
Don't tell me that I should desist on installing Icarus in a clean computer :-(
Thanks!
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when you burn the iso do a check of the cd if it is correctly written, cmq I had some problems with the 2 quads too, with pentium 4 no, so it could be the optical unit too
best
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but did you manage to install it successfully in the Quad's finally? :-o
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no, again i have one i7 860 and hp z600 workstation and works fine
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It even fails to load from the CD the first time.
The computer has an ASUS PK5KPL-AM IN/ROEM/SI motherboard, equipped with 1GB of RAM and an Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600.
I even tried in a Pentium 4 and it still refuses to load :-o
well, well, well. There are several options here.
1. have you tried burning the DVD rom at 1x speed? Sometimes this just worked when DVD-R could not read the media. Moreover, you talk about 'CD' here, while Icaros NEEDS a DVD-ROM for the Live! edition, no matter if it's a beta or a final release.
2. assuming you've used a DVD±R or RW and not a CD-R(W), you might occurr in SATA/IDE compatibility issues with your chipset. Question: are AROS nightly builds for ABIv0 correctly booting on your machine?
3. if point 1 and 2 are not applicable (tests passed), then you might need to set some kernel setting while booting. Please download the ICAROS USER MANUAL on icarosdesktop.org and read about them in the "installing icaros" chapter (they should be there)
4. if nothing works for you, consider using it in hosted mode.
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DVD...
That's the less important thing... I said it just how I call it generically, wrongly, but I meant DVD.. I thought it was assumed ;-)
" you might occurr in SATA/IDE compatibility issues with your chipset. Question: are AROS nightly builds for ABIv0 correctly booting on your machine?"
This I don't understand :-o
ABIv0? WHat is that?
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there are no more nightly builders of abiv0 all the programmers are concetrated on other architectures but there is a branch called alt-abiv0 that keeps going on, you could try amigasystem afaone :) or this which is the ultimate compilation, "only system"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/17fA7XtQNlilaID7jwQBuDXkA7vh_DC7K/view?usp=sharing
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Ummm no.. the problem is that I have no idea of what that could be :-D
I was wondering what it was, as I am absolutely new on this here and thought it could be fixed with just some advices, just like in Win or so...
I will try some old versions to see if it works ok (I'm not typing anything about Kernel or whatever as I never did something like that and have no idea...) :-(
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you definitely your hardware is not compatible all here :-\
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Oh no... I've set this computer up on purpose for Icaros... What's is really weird is that it won't load in Pentium IV neither... Well, it goes further, though... but, when the red icon shows up and the screens is black everything freezes there :-(
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Remove all unneeded Hardware like TV Cards or whatever use the Computer as spare as possible! Put only compatible Hardware in it like lower nvidia card Soundblaster live! 5-1 and realtek 8169 Network cards and disable AHCI Mode in BIOS!
Hard Disks in IDE or Legacy Mode and UEFI disabled!
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maybe you could use your quad core duo by replacing the cpu with a core duo 2 :)
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Hi again, guys, and thanks everyone!
Well, I managed to install it at last. The problem was very simple (and curious), as the only thing I had to do is inserting a graphic card in the PCIe slot... (The GFX unit was integrated in the motherboard, so it had no additional card).
I did that and it worked perfectly...
IcAROS is fantastic, I get to load ADF games amazingly and it's a really atractive OS, though a little unstable sometimes and VERY difficult to set it up... I think IŽll never make Internet work in this desktop...
The only flaw is when trying to run Workbench applications... Only a few of them work :-( Well, I can't understand very well in the manual the procedure to run everything in coherence mode (I guess this makes WB aps to be run in the same Icaros desktop) and the only I managed is to run those aps in another screen (Wanderer?) through Janus, but, the mouse pointer moves like flashing, imprecise if you are, for instance, making some pixel art, and Octamed does not run at all, Deluxe Paint always crashes...
I want to know how to make everything run in the Magellan desktop, as I think performance will be better than running in another screen at the same time.
The fact is that, when running in WinUAE in this same computer, it runs very very fast, so I don't know why this happens :-(
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I run janus-uae on the own window, simply by clicking on the program icon, I don't use the icaros settings, then there is a script that starts the aforementioned (found on archives) that changes the task priority, this is important because if not janus-uae does not work well in multitasking
hi
the script
http://archives.aros-exec.org/share/emulation/computer/script_janus_task_prio.tgz
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I run janus-uae on the own window, simply by clicking on the program icon, I don't use the icaros settings, then there is a script that starts the aforementioned (found on archives) that changes the task priority, this is important because if not janus-uae does not work well in multitasking
hi
the script
http://archives.aros-exec.org/share/emulation/computer/script_janus_task_prio.tgz
Sorry? :-o
From the Icaros Desktop I can't click on any WB application... It tells me that it can't be opened all the time. How did you manage to get that? that is what I'd like to do, but I can't.
Is the performance good?
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I don't use icaros as a distribution but my tiny aros, however I didn't use amibridge when I had the above, I started the emulator normally and I installed the workbench 3.1, in the settings for the hard disks I deleted everything and I created a directory for the system (system :) and one for programs (work :)
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From the Icaros Desktop I can't click on any WB application... It tells me that it can't be opened all the time. How did you manage to get that? that is what I'd like to do, but I can't.
Is the performance good?
Magellan can't run 68k software through AmiBridge. I've tried fixing that so many times, but for some reason or another, x86 Magellan always considers them as native binaries and tries to run them directly. I've even created a 68K filetype calling AmiBridge, with no luck. In a nutshell, you need either to switch to Wanderer as whole desktop manager, OR right click on 68K application icon and choose "WBRun" (or run with wanderer, I don't remember the exact name of this option, sorry)
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Just as an FYI, I tried numerous versions of the second series of IcAROS releases (2.1 was the oldest). All of them would freeze during first-time set up regardless of which installation options I chose. I tried to install hosted versions on native Windows as well as multiple times in a VirtualBox VM running 32bit Ubuntu 16.04. I also left the VM running for an hour to see if the installation is just slow, but no cigar.
This was on a Ryzen 3 system.
By contrast, I found a VirtualBox image of AROS One which has no installation procedure and boots up just fine.
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Just as an FYI, I tried numerous versions of the second series of IcAROS releases (2.1 was the oldest). All of them would freeze during first-time set up regardless of which installation options I chose. I tried to install hosted versions on native Windows as well as multiple times in a VirtualBox VM running 32bit Ubuntu 16.04. I also left the VM running for an hour to see if the installation is just slow, but no cigar.
This was on a Ryzen 3 system.
By contrast, I found a VirtualBox image of AROS One which has no installation procedure and boots up just fine.
Then, you're definitely doing somthing plain wrong.
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Then, you're definitely doing somthing plain wrong.
There is literally nothing to do wrong for a user considering the basic installation with 100% default settings is finished and Icaros starts up just fine on first boot but goes completely haywire running its automated installation scripts.
Besides running IcAROS in the first place, evidently.
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I would eliminate aros68k it is too heavy compared to the classic workbench, at least I do not use amibridge and its scripts, I normally start the emulator and install the workbench from scratch and then I have it all run in the owner window :)
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Hello celebrated that you are well,
Icarus if something unstable is,
I can't test a lot of software,
I would like a stable version of icaros,
and being able to porbar software and make videos on YouTube,
Greetings.
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I should perhaps work on a simple video editing program as long as the person I know is capable and has time to do it
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Salva,
You have to fix everything that gives error in Icaros,
and other flavors of AROS,
be if the new version gives me a joy,
and testing.
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I'm not using icaros but my tiny aros distribution, on icaros as I used to say I didn't use amibridge, it's easier to start the uae emulator and create your classic system according to your tastes
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There is literally nothing to do wrong for a user considering the basic installation with 100% default settings is finished and Icaros starts up just fine on first boot but goes completely haywire running its automated installation scripts.
Please don't use Windows-hosted mode with current 2.3.0 betas because it is not going to work. I've tested Icaros installation and 1st-time setup procedures hundreds of times now, and the latter never froze on any system: if you installed correctly, there is no chance for the 1st-time setup procedure to mess it. I'd be in a better position to help you if you told me at what exact point the procedure stops working.
Edit: I've just figured out that you simply can't tell me what's the point where your installation dies, if you can't compare it to a working installation process. I am setting up a video and I will post the link here. So you can tell me where your issue arises.
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@ASiegel
Please have a look here
https://youtu.be/A_NulEimh90
would you please tell me at what point exactly the 1st.time setup is failing on your systems?
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guys the stable version of icaros is 2.2.8 and it works well, the manual can then help you choose the hardware it is well known that on the latest computers released it will not work, especially because the sata function is not implemented at moment as long as you can set from bios the emulation of this port on ide.
About the graphics cards currently the latest supported are the gtx 4xx if you want the graphics acceleration if not you go to vesa
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Hello celebrated that you are well,
Icarus if something unstable is,
I can't test a lot of software,
I would like a stable version of icaros,
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[/size]You should simply report here what's not working for you. There's no beta testing on my distro: most of former beta testers aren't reporting bugs anymore (I sincerely doubt they have still interest in AROS or in Amiga matters at all), so I can't really catch broken software all by myself. I generally test programs and include them once they're working, but regressions are really hard to spot.
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[/size]Icaros Light includes just the mandatory software, so it's more likely 100% working than Live! edition.
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What's the difference between 2.2.6 and 2.2.8? I mean about system files. Anything that convinces me to reinstall all over again?
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yes there is a general update of the system files and some programs also, now the abiv0 branch is stopped deadwood is working on its maintenance and I don't know what it will do in the future